Kier yesterday

[jon1959]

He has been truthful many on this board won't recognise Labour's in grained anti semitic views at least he had balls to say “On behalf of the Labour Party, I am sorry,” he said. “And I will tear out this poison by its roots and judge success by the return of Jewish members and those who felt that they could no longer support us.”

Poisonous drivel.

Although Starmer has been very active expelling elderly socialist Jews on the grounds that they are hopelessly antisemitic - because they reject a racist state ideology that Starmer claims as his own and they stand by ethnically cleansed and victimised Palestinians despite the personal and political cost.

[life on mars]

From a left wing publication :



https://labourheartlands.com/sir-kei...al-commission/


Sir Keir Starmer: The Trilateral Commission and Jeffrey Epstein
It should, therefore, be very concerning when we find that the Labour Party Leader Sir Keir Starmer is a member of an organisation that believes, we the people have too much freedom, too much democracy.

An organisation that believes the working class and the masses should be removed from any democratic process leaving the issues of democracy and government to the elite, the establishment.

[jon1959]

Nice avoidance seen your rants about Blair and centrist Labour to know this is a very bitter pill to swallow .. never mind in Sheffield you could vote for Rod Liddles social democrats party they think they can grab it .. enjoy the non left ride ..

In English?

[Dorcus]

He has been truthful many on this board won't recognise Labour's in grained anti semitic views at least he had balls to say “On behalf of the Labour Party, I am sorry,” he said. “And I will tear out this poison by its roots and judge success by the return of Jewish members and those who felt that they could no longer support us.”

He is deeply internationalist bod ..

Belongs to an organisation whose past members are very right wing globalist..

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with this Jewish issue; pray why?

[Organ Morgan.]

I don’t have a crystal ball to see what a future right leaning Starmer government will do - but the last Labour government (similar political agenda but more charisma and more policies) brought in Sure Start, the Decent Homes Programme, more investment in the NHS (albeit alongside major privatisation) and a raft of redistribution measures on the quiet by Prudence Bruin in his budgets. Those made a difference to real people.

Blair was also brown-nosing Murdoch, lying to promote an illegal war with his mate Bush, and acting as the ‘safe hands’ heir to Thatcher.

But the good stuff above was worth having.

It didn’t just fall from the skies either. It came from decades of pressure and campaigns by Labour members, affiliated unions and others who found ways of getting a Labour government to pass some progressive laws and tax/spend measures. The same will happen again as long as Labour has some remaining political and organisational ties to its roots and its base.

The stage is yours again!

You had the chance to highlight reforms Labour moaned and groaned about during 18 years under Thatcher and Major which they could have undone during their 13 years under Blair and Brown. You failed because they did too. The Tories privatising essential services and plenty besides that wasn't nailed down to carpet baggers, along with decapitating workers' rights, stand out.

The next government will be a Great Reset one pushing net zero at every turn, and it'll matter not a jot whether the Blues or Reds occupy the government benches because that's the agenda they both share.

[jon1959]

You had the chance to highlight reforms Labour moaned and groaned about during 18 years under Thatcher and Major which they could have undone during their 13 years under Blair and Brown. You failed because they did too. The Tories privatising essential services and plenty besides that wasn't nailed down to carpet baggers, along with decapitating workers' rights, stand out.

You are mostly right about that - but as you know my point is that Labour did other things in government that helped ordinary people - things that the Tories would not have done.

If you are trying to get me to give Labour a spray of perfume, you are wasting your time.

[Organ Morgan.]

From a left wing publication :



https://labourheartlands.com/sir-kei...al-commission/


Sir Keir Starmer: The Trilateral Commission and Jeffrey Epstein
It should, therefore, be very concerning when we find that the Labour Party Leader Sir Keir Starmer is a member of an organisation that believes, we the people have too much freedom, too much democracy.

An organisation that believes the working class and the masses should be removed from any democratic process leaving the issues of democracy and government to the elite, the establishment.

Yeah, I've pointed out several times he's a member of an arch-globalist club.

Also, a former KC and Director of Public Prosecutions. With or without bagging a knighthood as well he'd be heavily odds-on to be a Freemason too. He hasn't appeared on any Bilderberg attendee lists thus far. I'll have to check sources whether he's shown his mug at Davos today.

[MOZZER2]

Yeah, I've pointed out several times he's a member of an arch-globalist club.

Also, a former KC and Director of Public Prosecutions. With or without bagging a knighthood as well he'd be heavily odds-on to be a Freemason too. He hasn't appeared on any Bilderberg attendee lists thus far. I'll have to check sources whether he's shown his mug at Davos today.

not sure about Starmer but Man utd are corporate sponsors

���� Manchester United stand at WEF23 in Davos. They are corporate sponsors. �� pic.twitter.com/1mQ0k65nZz

— Anti WEF (@ANTlWEF) January 16, 2023

[Organ Morgan.]

not sure about Starmer but Man utd are corporate sponsors

���� Manchester United stand at WEF23 in Davos. They are corporate sponsors. �� pic.twitter.com/1mQ0k65nZz

— Anti WEF (@ANTlWEF) January 16, 2023

It might explain why both the Chairman and CEO of that club are named on the Davos attendee list I linked to yesterday.

[life on mars]

Sir William Hague heading to Davos , may share hotels with Sir Tony Bier .. as they are on the same wavelength and both like fish for breakfast ..

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I will vote for starmer as the alternative is the Tories

Is it the least worst option ?

Yes but I will never vote for the conservatives

I would like labour and the liberals to merge and keep the Tories out for ever

[JamesWales]

I will vote for starmer as the alternative is the Tories

Is it the least worst option ?

Yes but I will never vote for the conservatives

I would like labour and the liberals to merge and keep the Tories out for ever

This is shocking news if true.

[North Cardiff Blue]

I will vote for starmer as the alternative is the Tories

Is it the least worst option ?

Yes but I will never vote for the conservatives

I would like labour and the liberals to merge and keep the Tories out for ever

You would be voting modern Labour/Conservative, there is virtually no difference, everything will be the same but for the name on the lectern when he comes out to make a speech.

You'll never live it down, you've sold out, and proper socialist policies will be killed if he gets in he has crushed Corbyn, McDonnell, McClusky, Abbott, Milne, and Long-Baily, they will be gone forever.

If he does get in, which he probably will, it will be the socialists out forever

Good old Kier is doing a better job of killing them off than the Tories

[North Cardiff Blue]

But, but, but he's Tory Lite , bloody hell how quick the left can be centered , what happened to the Corbynistas and thier hatred of the alledged war criminal Blair and his European buddy Maddy.. they were more right wing than Boris ..

Brilliant ��

I would say Tory light, I would say Modern Labour/Conservative alternative, they are virtually the same.

[Eric Cartman]

I would say Tory light, I would say Modern Labour/Conservative alternative, they are virtually the same.

I can think of a few areas where they are miles apart. Certainly further apart than 2010 and probably 2015.

[Claude Blue]

I can think of a few areas where they are miles apart. Certainly further apart than 2010 and probably 2015.

He's also ignoring how far to the right the Tories have moved over the past few years with most of the sane ones kicked out by Johnson, replaced by ghouls like Gullis, Anderson, Dorries, etc.

Good Tory boys like NCB will push the "they're all the same" narrative in the hope that it'll fool folk into voting Tory, suggesting that Labour are just "Tory lite" so they may as well vote for the real thing. Sadly a few on here who are left leaning are playing his game.

Policy wise there are already discernible differences between the parties but with a GE possibly still two years away Labour wisely aren't showing their hand early. Be patient and wait until the election, then decide if Labour are only Tory lite.

[North Cardiff Blue]

He's also ignoring how far to the right the Tories have moved over the past few years with most of the sane ones kicked out by Johnson, replaced by ghouls like Gullis, Anderson, Dorries, etc.

Good Tory boys like NCB will push the "they're all the same" narrative in the hope that it'll fool folk into voting Tory, suggesting that Labour are just "Tory lite" so they may as well vote for the real thing. Sadly a few on here who are left leaning are playing his game.

Policy wise there are already discernible differences between the parties but with a GE possibly still two years away Labour wisely aren't showing their hand early. Be patient and wait until the election, then decide if Labour are only Tory lite.

We can agree to disagree, I will have a good study of the manifestos but would have been terrified at the thought of a Corbyn government, but I think I will strongly consider voting for Kier, and if not won't be too worried when he probably is prime minister!.

Drakeford worries me as much as Corbyn, Wales is doomed!

[Whisperer]

Well done on getting the Tories elected for another term with the lowest total vote count ever.

Rubbish - if you keep doing the same then you’ll keep getting the same. What's your suggestion Eric?

[Dorcus]

We can agree to disagree, I will have a good study of the manifestos but would have been terrified at the thought of a Corbyn government, but I think I will strongly consider voting for Kier, and if not won't be too worried when he probably is prime minister!.

Drakeford worries me as much as Corbyn, Wales is doomed!

Why on Earth would you have been terrified by a Corbyn government apart from his Brexit stance?

[Eric Cartman]

Rubbish - if you keep doing the same then you’ll keep getting the same. What's your suggestion Eric?

I'd say do whatever you need to do to get rid of the current governing party, they are treading water and ever year they are in power now is an important year wasted.

[Whisperer]

I'd say do whatever you need to do to get rid of the current governing party, they are treading water and ever year they are in power now is an important year wasted.

So vote for Starmer and labour yeah?

[life on mars]

Why on Earth would you have been terrified by a Corbyn government apart from his Brexit stance?

Same reason why a lot of Labour voters didn't elect him or Labour last time around ? Wasn't it the worse election defeat for Labour for decades ..sense saw us through, sadly let in a loop , all down to one eyed ideology , great to see you all moving to a central arena.

[life on mars]

So vote for Starmer and labour yeah?

Not certain yet :
From Independent:
A vote of limited confidence in Labour

Important opinion-poll question asked by Redfield & Wilton, 15 January: “Do you believe a UK government led by the Labour Party would currently be taking the right measures to address the cost-of-living crisis?” Voters were evenly divided: Yes 38 per cent; No 39 per cent; Don’t know 24 per cent.

Of course, when people are asked if the government is taking the right measures, the answer is overwhelmingly No (65 per cent to 20 per cent), but it is significant that this does not translate into widespread confidence that Labour would do better.

That is why I think the Labour lead in a general election would be lower than in the current polls, which are more a referendum on the government than a choice between alternative governments.

[life on mars]

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with this Jewish issue; pray why?

I'm Jewish ✡️

[Dorcus]

Same reason why a lot of Labour voters didn't elect him or Labour last time around ? Wasn't it the worse election defeat for Labour for decades ..sense saw us through, sadly let in a loop , all down to one eyed ideology , great to see you all moving to a central arena.

No, more like Brexit pulled the wool over people's eyes. Thank goodness more people are able to see more clearly now.