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Apologises for how he said it perhaps but not the principle. People traficking should not be happening and they shouldn't be here.Originally Posted by Dave Blue
The vast majority of 'kids' in question here are 16+ Albanians. A country with a democratic governement, fleeing France.
If you think this is okay and this is who we should be spending millions supporting, then it sure isn't me who is the idiot.
Of course. The words and the tweet does give some of you reason to get foaming at the mouth again I suppose.
Even on your deathbed you will be squirming like the tory boy off Harry Enfield ....
I may vote Labour at the next election you know !
But the priest knows you are lying and condemns you to eternal tory filth hell
Groundhog Day
It's half past midnight Sludge. What are you jibber jabbering on about? I've made it clear for a long time that in my opinion it is clear that there is a mass abuse of our asylum policy going on orchestrated by criminal gangs. It should be called out and it should be stopped and being naive about it doesn't help.
No one wants any of these problems, thats the reason to stop it at source instead of crying over tweets about problems that shouldn't even be allowed to exist in the way they have. Get angry at the gangs not the MPs trying (and hitherto failing) to stop them. These young people aren't in prison, they are free to leave their hotels and this is what happens, unfortunately.
500 more crossed last Wednesday. In January! Do you know how many British families are currently homeless? Where does everyone go? Not to where you live that's for sure.
Language does matter, thats true, but crying over an MPs words whilst tolerating what's going on is just a sublime example of irresponsible virtue signaling.
Now go be to bed and behave yourself
You're defending Gullis with your usual whataboutery? FFS grow up.
You’re just making more of a fool of yourself now. You can have your views on illegal immigration without the need to defend a slug like Gullis you know.
James Wales usually talks about crying, faux outrage, being angry, etc when the argument is escaping.
Odd bringing up homelessness. Is that another thing we should be blaming Albanian gangs for and not the government that has been in charge for 13 years?
So James, send the Albanians back to Albania or on to Rwanda for a new life? I still haven't had an answer. I want to know if you have changed your mind about the Rwanda policy.
Phew glad this is all sorted. You guys get to feel rough and then you realise you've just got angry over a tweet and still said nothing whatsoever about the vastly more substantial issue of the abuse of our asylum system by criminal gangs.
At least, as we saw with Yvette Cooper, we have moved on from people arguing that everyone is fleeing war and famine (some are of course) and there is a condensus that the system is being abused. Acknowledging that problem, albeit many many months late is a start.
In answer to the question, the idea of the Rwanda policy is to deter the abuse of the system in the first place, but you know that already.
So you don't agree with the former head of the nca that you quoted above. There wasnt anything else in the quote other than expedite the claims that will obviously fail and deport them back to where they came from. You have been telling us that won't work because they will just try again and that the only way is Rwanda (what a show that would be). So I guess my point is, make you mind up, you either agree with him or the policy and if you agree with the policy still then recognise that quoting people who think the opposite doesn't help you.
As for nobody offers a solution, I'll point you to my post above which said:
The best way to discourage illegal entry (and save shit loads of money) is to set up legal routes, catch illegal immigrants, destroy the gangs and process applications quickly. Not waste a year and hundreds of millions on the dumb**** Rwanda deal.
You might not like it because it would probably result in more successful asylum claimants entering the UK but it will work. Do what we were already doing but do it better was not only very possible but also the answer.
As feedy kinda pointed out in the other thread (another challenge you willfully ignored), dancing around in circles acting like a politician isn't impressing anybody, if you occasionally give a straight answer then these threads wouldn't roll on forever.
So which is it? Send the Albanians back to Albania or send them to Rwanda.
Tory boy
Your lot , firstly under leather faced Cameron, said they were sorting all this out
That was 13 years ago
Now get back in your box
Looks like Jonathan has learned loads from his last apology for idiocy.
Mr Gullis said: "(It's) certainly tough and upset all the right people in the right places as far as I'm concerned.
"Let's be clear, when I talk about upsetting people, I'm talking about the twitterati, the wokerati of north Islington; those champagne socialists who pontificate all day.
"Those are the people I don't care upsetting, because those are the people who want to call people up here racist bigots, Nazis, like Gary Lineker has done."
https://news.sky.com/story/gary-line...laims-12834268
There have been a few attempts on here to misconstrue Lineker's tweet but to suggest that he was calling people from Stoke racist bigots and Nazis is taking it to the next level.
Gullis is just a Grade A prick.
Are you a parody of Jimbo? You are actually defending Gullis?
Brilliance exemplified. You've managed to slight both Rwanda and Albania in one post.
Not his language no, although you will note I wrote that nearly two months ago. I'm not a fan of inflammatory language in politics, be it Lineker or Gullis and I do think this problem needs sorting. It's not that complex to understand!
Not really. Albania is mentioned because it's the number one country people on boats came from last year and it's a peaceful democratic nation.
Rwanda mentioned because it's where an agreement is in place for and also peaceful. If you think people wish to go there, then it's no issue is it? It's clearly a preventative measure.
Yeah, what you're not acknowledging/seeing is that YOU are implicitly showing your disregard for other humans who happen to be Rwandans or Albanians. ALL humans have equal value including you.
I am probably in a minority of one on this website on this issue but I'll state it anyway - I think ALL borders are BS. Anyone who argues for a border should acknowledge they seek to divide humanity into subgroups and define the worthy and the unworthy by doing so. And the reasons for creating borders are pretty much all nefarious.
I disagree with you entirely on every point you make there apart from all humans being of equal value, but you are entitled to your opinion. 👍
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