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I've had four conversations of varying lengths with sitting and former MPs down the years which all took place on trains, two were London underground ones. One was a Tory, John Redwood, two from Labour, Kim Howells and Dianne Abbott, and one from Plaid, Dafydd Wigley.
I found the first three to be stand-offish. Redwood was every bit as Mr Bean-ish as he looks.
Wigley though was very personable. Although I suspect he was more so as he spent much of the Paddington to Swansea choo-choo journey stood at the buffet car swigging grog.
He made various ambiguous remarks hinting that the Commons was full of play actors who had few if any real political convictions. He said something along the lines of: the primary objective of every MP is to remain one for as long as possible.
Oh, I don't know. He used to do a great stand up routine on his 2020 Tour where he promised party unity, a programme based on the 2017 manifesto, maintenance of radical values and promoting the moral case for socialism. He then waved around 10 Pledges and said he would keep to them. How we laughed!Originally Posted by Doucas
Here's two former fake protagonists, both Bilderbergers, who once stood either side of the Commons' despatch boxes as leader's of the Blue and Red team.
Everyone in Britain should be given a digital ID incorporating their passport, driving licence, tax records, qualifications and right to work as the cornerstone of a “technology revolution”, Sir Tony Blair and Lord Hague of Richmond say https://t.co/txkR6mZAJG
— The Times and The Sunday Times (@thetimes) February 22, 2023
I forgot about that classic.. had me in stitches that
I want to see his policies before the election but as it stands I don't think I can vote for him after that lie, I voted for him to be Labour leader as well.
Yep, let's stick to the same manifesto that we lost on (55 less seats and nearly 1 million less votes) - that'll teach the electorate how to vote!!I forgot about that classic.. had me in stitches that
I want to see his policies before the election but as it stands I don't think I can vote for him after that lie, I voted for him to be Labour leader as well.
And let's not mention the 2019 GE eh?
Remind me, what's that definition of madness?
The manifesto was popular, Corbyn wasn't due to the smearing from the national press.
Yeah, no previous Labour leader was ever smeared by the national press
No, he was a QC - and now works in the military heading up something in the Govt court martial service
God knows the last few Tory governments haven't had much to crow about but they can at least take credit for making electable Sir Keir Starmer, former grammar and public school boy, Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, King's Counsel and self-styled Man of the People.
Whenever I hear this sort of thing - it takes me back to the Michael Foot general election campaign. When he lost rather than accepting his socialist manifesto was not wanted by the electorate - he proclaimed it failed because it wasnt socialist enough.
The egg and chips theory - if someone rejects the eggs and chips you have on offer - your response is too offer them double egg and chips instead rather than something else. It's been a failure mode of Labour every election - other than the Tony Blair years
Public school boy?
I suppose you prefer man of the people Rishi Sunak, multi millionaire married to a multi millionaire and, self-admitted, no "working class" friends.
Sir K is trending on Twitter. Has there ever been a more wishy-washy politician?
Well done him. Nothing like Ronnie then!
I'm not sure what my opinion of Starmer has to do with Sunak but as long as you do then that's fine.
Oh lead so badly it let appalling behaviours develop in its membership then denied them . Are we not allowed to report on left wing mistakes ??Yeah, no previous Labour leader was ever smeared by the national press
The press slaughtered Boris until he left including the likes of Mail & Telegraph. And the BBC , Channel 4 ?????
Lol - Corbyn went to a Grammar school - and so did his son.
I dont think Sunak is pretending to be a working class hero like Sir Keir or Jez Corbyn.
Or you can have the other end of the spectrum - Angie Rayner - the only thing she left school with was a baby.
I always liked this exchanged which exposed Rayner very politely - without even a raised voice
It's only 3 mins but worth a watch
I would vote for anyone ......even a Liberal Democrat.....if it got rid of a tory government .....and kept them out
They are duplicitous and disingenuous and I am amazed anyone is even considering voting for them these days
I think starmer and his team are dreadful and the labour party are lucky the Tories are in such a mess . What on earth is Yvette Cooper still in the shadow cabinet for ?
I hope labour have enough to get over the line but starmer has a bizarre gardening accident
We then get nandy in , she realises that it's 2024 and the best way forward is to form a left of centre democratic party with the liberals and anyone else who is interested with the basic aim ...
Keep the Tories out
The Labour Party has enough problems with the two wings of their party without subsuming the Lib Dems - and voters who vote for the latter won't necessarily vote Labour if that happens.
This is for the next generation
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