While our eyes are on dingy crisis Rishi slips bill through the back door

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Context is everything. Hence me saying that I'd been to a museum that's literally called, in English, The Munich Documentation Center for the History of National Socialism.

Whenever I have seen the Nazi's be referred to as National Socialists on social media it's always to present them as socialists - not fascists.

You can disagree with that as much as you'd like but I will go with my own anecdotal evidence of what I've witnessed, thanks

He knows what he's doing

Like other right wingers it's easy for him to take a dig at the left using the name of socialism which dirtys the water and takes away from what's going on

The National Socialists .......had nothing to do with Socialism and everything to do with Fascism

The International Brigade who had Welsh socialists in their number fought Franco

Who was a fascist , like Hitler

And not a socialist

He's not kidding anyone here

[Tuerto]

Christ some of you are absolutely obsessed with Hitler. It's weird.

The comparisons are seriously preposterous and it's incredible some of you keep making them. It's a toughening up of asylum laws to deal with the system not working and being in near complete breakdown. That doesn't mean the Nazis are coming to power.

And it's the same people who rightly mock others on here for being conspiracy theorists who pump this stuff out.

The Majority who cross the channel are Afghans, who cooperated with our flunked invasion and who were then sold down the river when we walked out in defeat, telling the Taliban to be good boys now! And yet, under this new Migration bill, those same people who went through an invasion and occupation from the West, and who were sold down the river, have no right to put their case over in order to seek sanctuary from the shit show we helped create. Shame on Sunak, is this the type of country we want to live in? Not allowing people the right to even ask for a chance to be considered? Disgraceful stuff, Sunaks 93rd minute punt up field. This could be illegal as well,under international law.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

That's cool, we all have anecdotal experiences that inform our opinions, but I assure you in this case it is pretty common across the board. If someone only used the full term I would be inclined to agree, but I have only ever seen it used interchangably and I have a particular interest in all things WW2, particularly it's causes.

Didn't expect to have this little debate today, but it is an interesting angle on how language can matter.

North of Ireland / Northern Ireland etc is a classic and contemporary example in that respect

Feck off out of here , used interchangeably my arse

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Unfortunately there are some fascists on social media but just because they use a term doesn't mean it has that meaning.

Some people will see Welsh Nationalists display the Welsh flag, it doesn't mean thats a true reflection of the flags meaning.

Anyway, I don't think there is too much more to add!

Yes I would stop digging

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Brings back memories of last summer when Hitler, 'alfresco' and the 'native hipster' were acting as a tag team. The hipster is still posting but seems to have toned it down a bit. All different people of course!

It's all making sense now

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The Majority who cross the channel are Afghans, who cooperated with our flunked invasion and who were then sold down the river when we walked out in defeat, telling the Taliban to be good boys now! And yet, under this new Migration bill, those same people who went through an invasion and occupation from the West, and who were sold down the river, have no right to put their case over in order to seek sanctuary from the shit show we helped create. Shame on Sunak, is this the type of country we want to live in? Not allowing people the right to even ask for a chance to be considered? Disgraceful stuff, Sunaks 93rd minute punt up field. This could be illegal as well,under international law.

It's a toughening up of the asylum system ?

It's an attempt to stop getting absolutely battered at the next election

They don't care about the real issues

[Tuerto]

It's a toughening up of the asylum system ?

It's an attempt to stop getting absolutely battered at the next election

They don't care about the real issues

It's an attempt at clawing back the UkIps

[cyril evans awaydays]

It's an attempt at clawing back the UkIps

Shitloads of votes in them UKips. If the best defense you have left after a decade and a bit in power is protecting your right flank whilst the rest of the country looks on wondering why they aren't doing relevant things that matter to most people every day. Instead they think the pathway to remain in power is pandering to a few people shit scared that they will bump into an asylum seeker on the way to the bookies.

The Last Chance Saloon looks a long way away from where Sunak and the gang have hitched their horses.

[ninian opinian]

It's a toughening up of the asylum system ?

It's an attempt to stop getting absolutely battered at the next election

They don't care about the real issues

Exactly!

Fuel bills are 300% more than a year ago. We are paying 30% more for diesel. People are worried they won’t see a doctor if they need one. Food shopping is 20% higher. Kids can’t afford accommodation. This country is an international joke stumbling into war. Let’s focus on small boats.

[Sunnysideup]

Well at least if any of the migrants are single and gay looking for love they’re able to claim this new benefit 🫣👍

[cyril evans awaydays]

Well at least if any of the migrants are single and gay looking for love they’re able to claim this new benefit ����

Ah, you started this thread talking about something called the Knobseeker's Allowance. What is it, why is it agitating you and how do asylum seekers claim it?

[Tuerto]

Ah, you started this thread talking about something called the Knobseeker's Allowance. What is it, why is it agitating you and how do asylum seekers claim it?

They seek out Sunak.

[Tuerto]

Shitloads of votes in them UKips. If the best defense you have left after a decade and a bit in power is protecting your right flank whilst the rest of the country looks on wondering why they aren't doing relevant things that matter to most people every day. Instead they think the pathway to remain in power is pandering to a few people shit scared that they will bump into an asylum seeker on the way to the bookies.

The Last Chance Saloon looks a long way away from where Sunak and the gang have hitched their horses.

Thing is, them and their mates will do one hell of a job at stirring it in the run up to the next election, there's going to be some filthy racist mantra dished out in the media and the Tories will do all they can to magnify it, it's their only hope. Talk about playing the race card, they love that saying, and a certain poster on here as well, the Tories are kings at doing it.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Thing is, them and their mates will do one hell of a job at stirring it in the run up to the next election, there's going to be some filthy racist mantra dished out in the media and the Tories will do all they can to magnify it, it's their only hope. Talk about playing the race card, they love that saying, and a certain poster on here as well, the Tories are kings at doing it.

It only works if enough people who make a difference care enough about a single issue to change their vote. Despite their best intentions, in the last few years, fewer and fewer voters find immigration an issue worth making Tory their voting home. Most find other things more important and those that do wonder why they should trust a party that has had 12 years to sort it.

[JamesWales]

Excellent points made in this tweet about this governments policies.

https://twitter.com/ghost_in_exile/s...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

Thing is, them and their mates will do one hell of a job at stirring it in the run up to the next election, there's going to be some filthy racist mantra dished out in the media and the Tories will do all they can to magnify it, it's their only hope. Talk about playing the race card, they love that saying, and a certain poster on here as well, the Tories are kings at doing it.

It's an interesting grand theory, and I do respect that different people think different things, but why do you think that people who are concerned are 'stirred up' by things, which presumably you are immune to with your concerns?

There are legit questions about the legality, practicalities of removal, moral position etc, but surely you can accept that people are allowed to be unhappy about the cost of this, the queue jumping element, the organised crime, the perceived injustice of housing people when we have homeless, the impact on generally poorer communities, the impact of closed hotels etc?

I mean, even if you don't support the govts policy (I do, but it's fair if you don't), surely you can recognise people have legitimate concerns?

[Tuerto]

It's an interesting grand theory, and I do respect that different people think different things, but why do you think that people who are concerned are 'stirred up' by things, which presumably you are immune to with your concerns?

There are legit questions about the legality, practicalities of removal, moral position etc, but surely you can accept that people are allowed to be unhappy about the cost of this, the queue jumping element, the organised crime, the perceived injustice of housing people when we have homeless, the impact on generally poorer communities, the impact of closed hotels etc?

I mean, even if you don't support the govts policy (I do, but it's fair if you don't), surely you can recognise people have legitimate concerns?

You see James, all those things you mentioned, They hurt the poor and most vulnerable before anyone else, but it seems to me that you (like Sunak wants us to) are, in part, blaming Migrants for the struggles of the poorest in society. It's Tory Bingo and i've just called 'House'

[JamesWales]

Excellent points made in this tweet about this governments policies.

https://twitter.com/ghost_in_exile/s...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

You see James, all those things you mentioned, They hurt the poor and most vulnerable before anyone else, but it seems to me that you (like Sunak wants us to) are, in part, blaming Migrants for the struggles of the poorest in society. It's Tory Bingo and i've just called 'House'

I think you need a 180 view change. Most people aren't 'blaming migrants' they want the issue sorted. It's a problem, it needs sorting. I think you categorise the alternative opinion to yours as people 'blaming someone' but they probably aren't..they just see the issues I mentioned and want them sorted.

[jon1959]

Christ some of you are absolutely obsessed with Hitler. It's weird.

The comparisons are seriously preposterous and it's incredible some of you keep making them. It's a toughening up of asylum laws to deal with the system not working and being in near complete breakdown. That doesn't mean the Nazis are coming to power.

And it's the same people who rightly mock others on here for being conspiracy theorists who pump this stuff out.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1633489525799264257

[JamesWales]

Excellent points made in this tweet about this governments policies.

https://twitter.com/ghost_in_exile/s...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

https://twitter.com/i/status/1633489525799264257

As posted by someone with this on their twitter

"Brexit is madness. Tories are psychopaths. Johnson is a c***!... Don't often look at my DMs, scared of what I'm gonna find."

Always good to be reminded that twitter is full of these total loons.

[Claude Blue]

As posted by someone with this on their twitter

"Brexit is madness. Tories are psychopaths. Johnson is a c***!... Don't often look at my DMs, scared of what I'm gonna find."

Always good to be reminded that twitter is full of these total loons.

Two of the three are certainly correct.

[JamesWales]

Excellent points made in this tweet about this governments policies.

https://twitter.com/ghost_in_exile/s...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA

Two of the three are certainly correct.

True. It's stupid to look at your DMs and twitter is full of total loons.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

If the tory mob were tackling the NHS , poor housing , education etc .....then a fair and reasonable approach to migration , asylum etc would be fine

But it's bollocks

And they want to fight the election on this right wing mantra

[HiVis]

It's an interesting grand theory, and I do respect that different people think different things, but why do you think that people who are concerned are 'stirred up' by things, which presumably you are immune to with your concerns?

There are legit questions about the legality, practicalities of removal, moral position etc, but surely you can accept that people are allowed to be unhappy about the cost of this, the queue jumping element, the organised crime, the perceived injustice of housing people when we have homeless, the impact on generally poorer communities, the impact of closed hotels etc?

I mean, even if you don't support the govts policy (I do, but it's fair if you don't), surely you can recognise people have legitimate concerns?

Its costs a lot less to let them stay and help them get on their feet than it does to send them to Rwanda

[HiVis]

I think you need a 180 view change. Most people aren't 'blaming migrants' they want the issue sorted. It's a problem, it needs sorting. I think you categorise the alternative opinion to yours as people 'blaming someone' but they probably aren't..they just see the issues I mentioned and want them sorted.

What is the issue you refer to?

Unless you can trace your entire lineage to the bell beaker people, you're ancestors were immigrants at some point too.

[HiVis]

As posted by someone with this on their twitter

"Brexit is madness. Tories are psychopaths. Johnson is a c***!... Don't often look at my DMs, scared of what I'm gonna find."

Always good to be reminded that twitter is full of these total loons.

if your point is that you don't often find a 100% factually correct post on Twitter, but today you have, then well done