I think thats about his level - mid range club in a foreign league. I think the Premier League is too intense for his style of play.Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
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I think thats about his level - mid range club in a foreign league. I think the Premier League is too intense for his style of play.
He joined both Spezia & Venezia on deadline day as Chelsea messed him around which can't have helped him
How do you know it was because Chelsea messed him around? Maybe there was not enough concrete interest from someone better to sign him? Maybe it was down to Ampadu and his agent waiting for something better to materialise and it didnt.
He was set to join Newcastle on loan early in the window, he was kept around and then off to Venezia on deadline day. He was kept around this summer as cover and was sent out on deadline day with a clutch of other players. Chelsea's "Loan farm" system seemed to be better planned than it is now and players are suffering as a result. It's not just Ampadu, look at someone like Harvey Vale, around their first team in 21/22, sent to Hull on deadline day this summer, played 2 games and back to Chelsea in January
Ampadu isn't the worldbeater WB says he is, but he's also better than the likes of Spezia & Venezia
Or can look at Ian Maatsen and Levi Colwill who have excelled on loan in recent seasons and Colwill has now been called up to the England seniors.
Connor Gallagher, Mason Mount, Trevor Chalobah have all broken through at Chelsea after a period on loan.
Surely if Ampadu was the world beater that WB insists he is he would have had a concrete loan to somewhere better, or been given the opportunity at Chelsea.
"Chelsea's "Loan farm" system seemed to be better planned than it is now", i.e. they used to be better at it. Also those players didn't join their clubs on deadline day. Ampadu's been messed around a bit for whatever reason, he's been in this limbo where he's been considered a decent cover option if they can't get their targets, leading to him scrambling for a move when they inevitably do. His big mistake has been not looking to force a move from Chelsea and stupidly signing a longer deal with them
Yep, he should have flown the nest, but I wouldn't say his time in Italy has been wasted, as he has played regularly while being under constant pressure from opposing teams. Not many players have to defend for 90 minutes week after week in a game of attackers v defenders
Connor Gallagher joined West Brom on loan in mid September. Just feels like youre making excuses for him. Its a season long loan, so what if he joined on deadline day.
At some point, especially after 4 years on loan, you cant keep blaming the loan system or quality of teams loaned to. If youre going to the top youll shine wherever you go on loan.
Is going somewhere like Huddersfield or Lorient any better than Spezia or Venezia?
That was the covid season though which messes with timings, he'd played for Swansea on July 29th. Ampadu joined Sheffield United about a week before and I wasn't moaning about that being an issue for him. Everything was odd then.
Professionals bang on about the importance of pre season, joining that late is hardly ideal especially if you don't know the language.
A loan to a decent side is better than a loan to a bad side
Are you Wales Bales in disguise? Are yoooo Wales Bales in disguise?
Yes pre-season is obviously important from a fitness point of view but he had plenty of game time with Chelsea last pre season i understand.
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He can obviously read the game as the amount of interceptions he's succeeded whilst playing for Spezia evidences.
I agree with you, he's not quick enough or dynamic enough to succeed in the Premier League.
He's like a poor man's Joe Allen.
*casts rod*
He's a very good player, but I don't think he does enough with the ball to play in midfield at the top level (champions league) and makes too many errors in defence to be a central defender at that level also. I think long term he will be a ball playing central defender at a mid table premier league side or other top european league. Which is still really good - wales need more players at that level.
Another Welsh player viewed through the rose tinted specs. No doubt he's a player, he's at Chelsea and played in Serie A, where he ends up could be anywhere between Fulham and Plymouth.
However, say he wasn't Welsh and he has the exact international record in N. Irelnad for example and we went to sign him....can you imagine this board
The board would turn their nose up at a 42 time international who's played at a Euros and a World Cup, 2 seasons in Serie A and 1 in the Premier League before he turns 23?Another Welsh player viewed through the rose tinted specs. No doubt he's a player, he's at Chelsea and played in Serie A, where he ends up could be anywhere between Fulham and Plymouth.
However, say he wasn't Welsh and he has the exact international record in N. Irelnad for example and we went to sign him....can you imagine this board
You have seen the state of our squad right? People lauded the signing of Andy Rinomhota
If he wasn't Welsh he'd wouldn't be on the radar, he'd be as well known as Spezia, is all i'm saying. Good player, i'm just not sure where his level is and that his talent might be slightly overstated.
Sam Ricketts got over 50 caps for Wales, not always a barometer of success.
Sam Ricketts get over 50 caps for a Wales team that qualified for a European Championship and World Cup? Did he get them before he turned 23? Completely pointless comparisonIf he wasn't Welsh he'd wouldn't be on the radar, he'd be as well known as Spezia, is all i'm saying. Good player, i'm just not sure where his level is and that his talent might be slightly overstated.
Sam Ricketts got over 50 caps for Wales, not always a barometer of success.
Even if he wasn't well known, if Ampadu was Northern Irish with the pedigree he has then fans certainly wouldn't turn their noses up at him
Interestingly i just looked at his record in the major competition.
Euros
Wales Switzerland 1 minute
Wales Turkey 15 minutes
Wales Italy 55 minutes!! Straight red
World cup
Wales USA full game
Wales Iran 77 minutes
Wales England 90 minutes
I could argue the case that the more he plays, the worse wales are
I like the guy, wish him well, looking forward to him and Joe Morrell bossing the midfield these next games and Germany in the summer all fingers crossed....but, he's not the messiah, he's a very lucky boy.
You are Wales Bales and I claim my £5
Like you alluded too, this age shit is just lazy nonsense. Ampadu is now a fully developed pro, All of this 'He's Young' 'Will Develop' etc is off the mark in my opinion. What you see now isn't going to change a great deal in terms of ability, pace, positioning, intelligence, he's almost 23 and he developed early. Some players just do, And in football terms he isn't that young given his experience.
he absolutely could still improve significantly, or he could stay at the same level as he is now, some players do make the leap at his age, others have already peaked.
unlikely that his pace or skill are going to improve much，but positioning, intelligence etc could I guess
Ampadu has already come out on top against players like Lautaro Martinez and Rafael Leao, who are amonst the best players in Europe. If I were to be critical, I would say he needs to sort out his consistency, but playing with a bunch of dropouts every week doesn't help in that department. He definitely has the potential to improve and we need to see where he goes next. Playing with better players under a good manager can only benefit him, so I certainly wouldn't write him off just yet.
How? What's going to happen? Some mysterious guru coach who can make him do the things that should come naturally, and then tweaked in terms of composure, concentration etc? In my opinion, coaching can bring only so much to a player. We have watched enough football to see that certain players, in fact lots of players, make the same mistakes time after time, and they work on it as well. They just can't get it for some reason, some players can't be taught certain aspects of a game because they don't have the ability to understand where they're going wrong, it's not their fault. I can't see Ampadu improving a great deal. He will always have it in him to switch off a lose concentration in my opinion, or put himself in poor positions. His thinking is his problem in my opinion, although he is naturally gifted.
You don't half talk some shit. At the age of 22 Virgil Van Dijk was playing in Scotland, and Thiago Silva was still in Brazil, with no top teams smashing theirs doors down. Not to mention Ake, DeBruyne and Salah were busy getting booted out of Chelsea at age 22/23.
You haven't got a clue about football, seriously, you're a ****ing cliche.
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