Reply With QuoteI think the evidence suggests these meal deals are very unhealthy and it's a good idea to try to reduce their consumptionOriginally Posted by TheGoose
And secondly I would rather Drakeford is running things than the tory filth
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It's not taking a decision away from them. It just costs more.
I don't get the ready meal argument. It costs less to make something. And I'm a really, REALLY bad cook. I'm absolutely hopeless. But if I bought a ready meal, it'd be convenience and laziness, not because it's cheaper. Or previously because I didn't know any better.
Besides that, it seems that with a broad brush you've decided the things you don't like are "for the sake of it" - 20mph, this, UBI, alcohol pricing etc
UBI - This hasn't happened?
20mph - Don't know about you but I'd rather get hit at 20 than 30
Alcohol pricing - You don't think that there's any issue with alcohol in the UK? I can honestly say that this has lowered the amount that I drink, and hopefully reduced the burden that I'll end up being to the NHS. You can still get smashed on white lightning it just costs you more?
I think the evidence suggests these meal deals are very unhealthy and it's a good idea to try to reduce their consumption
And secondly I would rather Drakeford is running things than the tory filth
id rather not get hit at all than get hit at 20, so you should sell your car and walk!
youve used " it just costs you more" twice and therein lies the issue i guess. because the people who like an occasional drink, an occasional treat can have it but now you have to pay more for it.
RE: ubi, while im at loathe to agree with the tories, i think they hit the nail on the head that Labour use Wales as a testing ground for policy choices. UBI is here in a form of a trail for young adults - either with special needs or some sort of difficulties in life i cant remember exactly off the top of my head.
you seems to have an idolised view on things and ill be honest im slightly envious because im a negative, miserable bastard! but "dont buy ready meals just cook at home" is what id expect to hear from an MP (MS) the fact is its not how the lower class live, hence their lifestyle is poor, their health is poor, their life expectancy is less. these policies dont help them live happier healthier lives it just charges them more for their existing lifestyle.
theres no such thing as bad food providing moderation. a sandwich, a packet of crisps and a drink for lunch wont turn you into John Candy
I do mean as a pedestrian, already walking, i'd rather get hit at 20. Although I guess in a car I would too!
Most people who like an "occasional treat" or an "occasional drink" don't give two shits that it costs a few pennies more. It's the people who a) eat too much sugar and salt or b) drink too much alcohol that largely (excuse the pun) get annoyed about it, because of the intake it's significantly more.
I don't think it's an idolised view to cook at home. Having gone from a pretty hard up working class background and then as a poor student living on pasta rations, it's what I did. At the time it was to save money, whereas now it's more to eat healthier, but I'd guess I probably do still save money!
The meal deals baffle me anyway. Aren't they like between £3-5 for a sandwich crisps and pop? I see people buy them every day, if they're spending £25 a week on lunch it's not poor people they're targeting, it'd cost 3 quid a week to do that in the house!
I do mean as a pedestrian, already walking, i'd rather get hit at 20. Although I guess in a car I would too!
Most people who like an "occasional treat" or an "occasional drink" don't give two shits that it costs a few pennies more. It's the people who a) eat too much sugar and salt or b) drink too much alcohol that largely (excuse the pun) get annoyed about it, because of the intake it's significantly more.
I don't think it's an idolised view to cook at home. Having gone from a pretty hard up working class background and then as a poor student living on pasta rations, it's what I did. At the time it was to save money, whereas now it's more to eat healthier, but I'd guess I probably do still save money!
The meal deals baffle me anyway. Aren't they like between £3-5 for a sandwich crisps and pop? I see people buy them every day, if they're spending £25 a week on lunch it's not poor people they're targeting, it'd cost 3 quid a week to do that in the house!
The sainsburys i used to work by was £3 but ive been WFH for 3 years (another mess but thats a different conversation)
i dont really disagree with the things you say tbh, its just my ire is aimed towards government intervention in everyday matters over lazy people ( of which im easily guilty) who cant meal prep. Theres a much wider conversation there about govt interference in all aspects of lives re: censorship, gambling, alcohol etc but i want to keep it on topic as much as possible!
It works in other countries. I have friends out in Norway and, from memory, I think they tax everything that is high in sugar, possibly in saturated fat as well. I guess one difference is that the standard of living is far better out there that buying fresh produce, rather than processed shit, is within the reach of everyone. Here we rely on foodbanks and our life expectancy is lower.
I also think children are being better educated with regard what is better for them to eat than my generation was 30 years ago.
It's a fairly competitive market, what about Lidl and Aldi?
It’s pretty straight forward.
All steps along the supply chain have taken price increases in one form of the other and no one is willing to take a squeeze on margins.
So it ends up on the price to consumer
Once prices start falling post Covid, there’ll be the usual free market competition to push them back down however I can’t see that for another 3 years.
Unfortunately the evidence suggests there are lots of fatties in Wales who are not listening
They are just as bad
Not all government intervention is socialist and anti libertarian
But this is though isn’t it
To a libertarian who are paranoid nut cases on the whole , it might be
If it’s still £3 (which given the subject of this thread it won’t be),that’s £60 a month for a few cheese sandwiches and salty fried potatoes.
What are your thoughts on cigarettes, should they be cheaper/taxed less?
The boozers I know are still boozing
They can be seen down the supermarket , stacking up on cheap cider
Absolute trolley fulls
A tax on the poor, don't they need their money to stretch further, so highly calorific food would work out cheaper for them, they can't live on three lettuce, but 10 packets of crisps might keep them alive?
I've taken it to extremes to get the point across.
My experience of the ‘buying the daily sandwich’ situation is the lads who do it are the ones who are continually skint. Baffles me why they can’t organise themselves and have a loaf in the kitchen, butter and, say, some ham in the fridge and make up a few sarnies at home every day throughout the week. Get a flask and do your day’s hot drink before work as well and you’re sorted. I’ve worked with lads who are having a sub by Wednesday, most probably due to doing a tenner+ a day at a shop. Beats me
It doesn’t need to be full of sugar salt and fat to be filling. Quite the opposite, the people living on your bag of crisps are quickly hungry again
I’ve always thought it was just me - I don’t get it at allMy experience of the ‘buying the daily sandwich’ situation is the lads who do it are the ones who are continually skint. Baffles me why they can’t organise themselves and have a loaf in the kitchen, butter and, say, some ham in the fridge and make up a few sarnies at home every day throughout the week. Get a flask and do your day’s hot drink before work as well and you’re sorted. I’ve worked with lads who are having a sub by Wednesday, most probably due to doing a tenner+ a day at a shop. Beats me
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ng-the-grocers
Good article in the guardian about it
Yes, let's get the poorest to eat shit for years and die early with diabetes and heart problems. One way to get rid of people on benefits......
The Tories would love that
Have already stopped buying any Heinz products a while back. The trouble is that they make such huge profits it needs a concerted boycott effort from millions of people to make them take any notice, and sadly that is not going to happen.
its not just unhealthy stuff though, you can get a prep'ed salad / a pasta salad / a healthier wrap for the main, a pot / cup of fruit, a OJ / Apple juice / or a smoothie for a drink
If we are arguing the price though, you can get a Costa express as the drink in the meal deal, which then turns it into a decent Lunch for a decent price
While visiting my mum in the heath Hospital I often get a boots or WH smiths Meal deal, if im early for visiting I pop over to the Tesco's as they have slightly more choice
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