Starmer's education speech - a critical error & snobbery

[jon1959]

Corbyn was a Brexiteer (just not vocal about it) actively campaigned previously to come out - just like Tony Benn.
The only party to have this done to them by the Human rights commission (I think the BNP had the same perhaps)

As a man he has always been a campaigner / criticiser - and then after 40 years of doing that - expects Labour MPs to tow his line.
Signs anti Semitic books without realising.
Then puts forward Shami Chakrabarti to be Dame - then asks her to investigate if the party is anti semitic - and remarkably she says no - whereas the Human Rights commission yes (strange one that).

Then leads his party into the biggest ever election defeat since 1930's - and claims he won. Maybe he's more like Trump than we gave him credit for.
And now in his place we have cardboard Keir - who ironically was the shadow Brexit secretary

Corbyn campaigned half-heartedly for Remain (with reservations). He did well over 100 trades union and other meetings on Brexit. He wasn't wanted on the official Remain campaign, and he was happy not to rub shoulders with the Remain big hitters.

Brexit sank Labour more than any other issue in 2019. The Labour policy was an incoherent mess. Corbyn went looking for compromise again, when he should have been firmer and faced down the people in his shadow cabinet (like Starmer) who invented the garbage that went in the manifesto.

The Equality & Human Rights Commission investigation was politically motivated. There has been no investigation into Tory Islamophobia or many of the other cases where political parties (and other institutions) seem to have a serious case to answer. The EHRC responds, it rarely initiates. If you read their full report it is embarrassing, but far from damning. They gave technical 'guilty' verdicts on two cases, identified weaknesses in managing allegations and investigations (directed at Corbyn's office and the anti-Corbyn party machine) - against complainants and accused - and came forward with a list of recommendations that Corbyn said should be implemented asap.

You have got the timeline backwards with Shami Chakrabarti. She was asked to do the internal investigation in April 2016. It was published in June 2016. She was made a life peer in September 2016 (Corbyn's sole Labour nomination) so that she could become the shadow Attorney General.

I agree with your general description of Corbyn as an outsider, a vocal critic and campaigner - but I doubt he ever expected Labour MPs to 'toe the line'. He had (and has) his strengths - but party management as not amongst them. I think the allegations of anti semitism are pure nonsense and hypocrisy (and most of his accusers retracted after a while, when the mud had stuck, choosing instead to claim that he allowed anti semitism to grow in Labour). There were a few mis-steps, a few lazy endorsements of the sort that all MPs make (many much more serious than 'the book' or 'the mural') and even then there was massive misrepresentation in the press. He also had a habit of creating peace-making platforms for people who were labelled as terrorists (sometimes with justification, sometimes not) but were likely to get a Nobel Peace Prize a few decades later. That was a rich mine for his opponents to dig in.

Corbyn never claimed he had won anything - but he did get a bit carried away in 2017 with the biggest vote share increase since 1945, and the best popular vote for Labour since 2001 (Better than Blair in 2005, Brown in 2010 and Miliband in 2015). But he lost. The 2019 election was a disaster and the lowest seat count since 1935. Corbyn resigned.... then got purged.

And now 'cardboard Kier'? I could cope with cardboard, but Starmer is much worse than an empty, stilted personality vacuum. He has an agenda (an agenda beyond winning by letting the Tories self-destruct) that I really dislike. The worst elements of Blairism, with none of the charisma or mild social justice and redistributive agenda that carried through the first two terms. He's drinking vintage champaign with Murdoch already!

[life on mars]

Error ?

Snobbery in Labour ??? ??

Private education for one's own children ??

Roll back on his Corbyn election manifesto??.

U Turn ??

Not appearing on picket lines??

Further Privatise Health Internal market ??

By the end of the year he'll be wearing a blue a badge with Tony Blairs big white teeth grin shining back at you ..

[pipster]

Cardboard Keir ?

Raving tory alert , that sort of slur is straight out of the daily mail quotebook

Same as dripford etc

Everyone knows starmer is lacking in charisma and personality but come on for feck sake

You do know why he is called Dripford dont you ? - especially on icwales ?

[life on mars]

Latest News Sir Kier is no longer a Blairite, he has decided to flip to being Cameron , as his policies have no real bite or newness , he is no committal as boy wonder Cameron was and is , he finds Tony too right wing , more to follow