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Yvette Cooper was a guest at George Osborne's wedding.
Keith Starmer, Rachel Reeves and Wes Streeting were all guests at Rupert Murdoch's summer party.
None of the above will stand with striking workers.
Just in case you were wondering whose side the Labour Party is on.
You have read it wrong.
Sheep in Wolves clothing politics.
There is no difference its just different shades of Tory which Blair triumphed with and was badged with at the time asca huge sucess .
Then we had Labour hate Blair .
Now we have the current Labout party consistently referring too his triumphs ??
It does leave the Blair haters in an awful quandary and risk of hypocrisy .
Yes you can hold your nose and vote sadly its still hypocrisy, one either has strong ideals or not , watered down ideals seem inappropriate especially after so.much anger aimed at Blarism or now Starmisim .
Wes Streetism lets use private sector to.help NHS ??
Rachel Reaves ironic less strikes under Blair government statement speaks volumes as to what is going on .
Being a fairly simple person I look at things in a simple way.
The only party that has a chance of a majority these days will be fairly centrist.
A party leaning too much to the right will alienate half the population
a party leaning too much to the left alienates the other half
We might not like it, but we are where we are.
I'd rather a relatively centrist party be in power that has a slight lean to the left than the other way. So Starmer has it right and will have my vote.
Is LOM trying to hand out lessons on hypocrisy?
Socialism is a term used by daft old tories living in the past
A few fringe meetings of people in big jumpers at labour party conferences or students waving around placards does not mean the huge chunk of people who don't vote for the tory filth are depressed, angry or upset that there is not a socialist ......May as well insert communist ......government in Britain
People like us don't like Tories we have always been around and always will be
If starmer gets a foot in the door then that's a start
He can be replaced or step down when he realises he's not the messiah
It came rather close in 2017 when Theresa May blew a huge lead in the polls and Jeremy Corbyn somehow managed to force a hung parliament. It might also be worth noting that turnout for that election was the highest in decades.
Never before or since in living memory has one MP been so utterly savaged by the national newspapers, virtually all of which are Tory and quite far right leaning in cases like The Sun and the Daily Heil. Corbyn scared the living shit out of them. We'll never see any sort of socialism in the UK because the elite won't allow it. We haven't got true democracy at all.
Or you could try answering the question, if / but / maybe isnt an answer.
When was the last time a Socialist Govt was elected in a general election?
Or you could try what someone else just did - and redefine socialism instead.
To answer my own question - I would probably Harold Wilson in the early 1970's. I wouldn't class Blair as a socialist - and Brown never won an election.
I remember Wilson - who I'd say was socialist before he became PM - then realised the job is slightly harder than he thought.
I think Syriza in Greece were generally considered socialist weren't they? Totally fcked over by the EU of course, which makes the British Lefts love affair with Brussels all the more baffling.
Syriza won a second election I remember, before being voted out by Greek Conservatives
Let me try again - Sludge in your opinion when was the last time we had a truly Socialist Govt ie one that actually won a general election ?
Dont try and redefine Socialism or claim Corbyn won - when he didnt (that's Trump territory) - just answer that one small question
See this is what gets me. You are pro EU and pro Left, and what? Have no idea about the long running dispute between the Greek Govt and the EU?
It was basically an anti austerity socialist Greek govt vs a Pro-austerity EU.
Did you miss all that?
Guardian: "Syriza’s historic win puts Greece on collision course with Europe"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/25/syriza-historic-win-greece-european-union-austerity
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30977587
It basically promotes market forces at every turn. Its why across the EU most socialist parties (as opposed to centre-left) are eurosceptic.
The largest party in the EU parliament has also been the centre-right for years now and likely to get stronger still.
The British left should have been comfortable with Brexit, esp when the working class overwhelmingly voted for it. They couldn't do so because they let Farage dictate things (and also lots have lovely holiday homes in the south of France, darling)