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If you're interested, the Met Office has a good article on El Nino and historical stats https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/researc...so-descriptionOriginally Posted by the other bob wilson
I have been in Milan today and it was horrible. Too hot to sight see.
However I don't recognise those temperatures. Have a look at the Met Office app. Mid 30s. It might get that hot but it isn't at the moment.
I'm not a climate change denier. I'm just very dubious about some of these claims.
i,m still stuck in USA with hot temperatures but the reporting of hot weather here is worst than the UK so dramatic .I was in a place called hood river last week and seen first hand forest fires and recorded on my phone but the locals here saying its a normal situation and has been for years
of course it's always a concern with hot temperatures but i get a sense that there is an agenda being played out here
with the term climate change does this include cold weather ?
saw some data a few days ago relating to deaths in cold weather around the world which far outweighs deaths in hot weather
think this topic will rumble on and on ...............
They are most likely ground temperatures.
There are loads of people backing up your observations in this Twitter thread below, and I should have my own detailed report soon from some Greek nationals who live outside of the big cities and grow their own crops, so they will know all about the weather over the past 30 years.
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/stat...77UftB2Tfrg8YA
I'd even hazard a guess and say the people who are losing their minds over the weather are the same ones who fell for the Russia collusion hoax, not to mention 15 days to flatten the curve, safe & effective, and Boris's many schemes to save Christmas. Of course, all of these came courtesy of the behavioural change "nudge" unit who could make you believe in Santa Claus if they wanted too! Some broadcasters were even telling you what they were going to do ...
https://www.skygroup.sky/article/beh...by-tv-says-sky
There's not enough red on the chart it needs more red!
This is getting pretty scary, we're warming up at a much faster rate than expected.
For the denialists as I know you're coming, unless you can explain what the physical process scientists say is causing climate change and what specifically you disagree with about that process then your opinion doesn't really matter.
I'm not scared.
I've just checked my underpants, me neitherI'm not scared.
You live in a stranger fantasy world than I thought.I've just checked my underpants, me neither
You are a knicker-sniffing narcissistic loon - so not all bad!
I bet you have scrapped all your foreign holidays , walk everywhere, had your home retrofitted , started growing your own food , boycotted imports from the highest carbon producing countries etc etc have you ?
This is what denialists do, they avoid the question and then divert onto the individual. Just say you can't answer.
If a smoker says smoking is bad for you is that bad advice?
Personally I'm doing the biggest thing you can do to stop climate change, not having kids.
But yeah I've actually just had my house insulated, I've not been abroad in about 7 years, I walk as much as possible and yeah actually I've grown some of my own food and hope to do more in the future.
Now answer my question.
Does propaganda work? Absolutely!
Yes, it's how the political right has managed to grow.
It comes to something when even the weather is now a culture war. The Right have lost their minds. Can’t even see something staring them in the face.
It's public knowledge that oil companies have been performing disinformation campaigns since the 70s. I'm not shocked that many on here (particularly the older users) are in complete denial and have fallen for right wing media hook line and sinker.
Don't forget something basic like masks stopping viruses was turned into a culture war, they're completely nuts.
Problem, reaction, solution. What's the solution?
Deny there’s a problem?
Whatever the solution is, it won't apply to the rich & famous. It will only be for the little people.
And there was me thinking that climate denial originates from the rich, not the famous, who are in charge of the corporations that benefit from maintaining the status quo - the sort of people who are in the “elite” you despise when they work for things like big pharma.
Oh you know the usual Screaming Mary solutions for the green nutters, tramps, hippies, animal rights liberation, Communists, criminal gangs, "do gooder" politicians, charity/NGO-hangers-on, grifters, Amnesty International and other society's cast-offs, Gamma males, useless and needy. Something like:
1. We must all get rid of petrol cars to kill those evil oil companies, and be forced on electric cars. At 35-50k a car - great for "alleviating poverty" that one, but don't remind the Communists and Socialists in the green lobby. That is inconvenient. Oh and it requires the poisoning of water supplies in Africa to produce the lithium, and kills an estimated 50,000 black people every year in Africa. But don't tell Black Lives Matter & Amnesty that because they are greenies also, so that fact is a little inconvenient for them, so let's gloss over it.
2. Stop eating steaks and beef you naughty bastards. You must eat seeds, lettuce and quorn and be a good anorexic vegan. Great for Gamma males. That'll get rid of those evil cows farting all the time and killing the planet. They created the hole in the ozone layer. As they have for millennia. Not. Oh and it will kill off all those rich farmers income. Grudgey socialists and communists hate them with a passion.
3. Kill farming and release land for wind farms. But don't tell them that it kills loads of small and large birds. And don't tell the animal lovers and conservationists, nor that geriatric David Attenborough. That bit of information is a bit inconvenient too. Great for Prince Charles and the Crown though, who have started to earn a fortune from wind farms and off shore wind farms revenues from the sea bed. A tremendous wheeze for Mr Royal Green Fingers himself. But hey, like Al Gore making a billion from carbon credit trading it's "all about the planet". Apparently. Lovely new Range Rover you have there, your Royal Highness.
4. Don't spray Lynx on your armpits. Nor any deodorant. It'll kill us all. Doom I tell you. Lynx armpit sprays blew the ozone layer and it also caused the floods 4000 years ago when we were all spraying our armpits with deodorant. See what I did there? But hey, these global companies selling this stuff are evil capitalists. So let's kill them off. Just use a Strawberry and rub your armpit. Natural. And smells nice. For about 10 minutes.
5. Tax more. Tax more next year. Then even more next year!!! Then even more tax! But don't tax the people shouting for more tax. They are different, see. Offshore here. Offshore there. Be seen to be raising money for charity from other people's pockets and taxes and shout about it like Bono and Geldof, while they hide their elsewhere in a cute little haven. Or like the Clintons. Raise money all over the place for "foreign aid" - while their own people in Alabama have no clean water. But it looks good because nobody cares about Alabama, whereas a Syrian refugee seems to be worth more to a politician for some reason. Can't think why.
6. Oh an stop flying you naughty bastards. Those foreign holidays. Who do you think you are? The poor Lefties who are skint have always hated people taking foreign holidays on a plane anyway. That envy chews them up. And greenies think flying is killing us all. Funny, how all those trains carrying steel and filthy coal around Europe and the US in the 19th century didn't kill us all. These foreign holidays are for the devil. We must all enjoy squeezing in to a two bedroom hovel on a shite beach somewhere in Porthcawl, wearing a recycled knitted cardigan on the beach in August and freezing our bollocks off. Perhaps counting our lucky stars that we get 2 measly days of a sun in a fortnight, where we can allow ourselves a serene, gentle swim in the sewage-fest and brown water that is Trecco Bay, briefly popping our head out of the water for air and earning a gobful of a used Durex Thin Feel, a rotten nappy or a baby "floater" whizzing nearby. Treating ourselves to a stick of rock, maybe a 2 thousand calorie SubZero triple cone ice cream with a barrel of fudge and cream, having argued in the queue with a twenty stone bald grunt who has just necked 7 pints of Special VAT by 2pm. Then for a real treat, £10 for a greasy shitburger surprise and a warm pint of Carwyn's Ale . Your 14 day holiday for the family for a bargain fee of 3.5k a fortnight. CuLtuRe!! BaRgAin!!!
Meanwhile, 7 course meals on private jets for those at the WEF instructing us. One rule for them, another for us. Justifications for them, none allowed for us. You get the picture. Do as I say, not do as I do. You know the drill - get used to it.
Jeff Bezos’ New Yacht, Koru, Is Finally Ready to Set Sail
Amazon’s founder has been spotted on Koru, a massive schooner with a design that evokes the golden age of sailing in the early 20th century.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/s...acht-koru.html
Whenever I see you saying “Gamma” in this thread, I think of another word starting gamm, which I won’t use because a poster on here thinks it’s racist, that seems to describe the climate deniers perfectly.
Climate deniersIt reminds me of the reaction to a virus that was deadly to 0.002% of the population, with 82 being the average age of death. The solution to the problem? Lock down the whole of society, destroy the economy and wreck the NHS, while those in charge ignored all of these restrictions, and it should also be noted that those with access to private aircraft had no travel restrictions placed upon them either.
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