Yet some will have you believe that there’s nothing to see here.

[Keyser Soze]

Honestly half of this forum is mentally ill.

For a fourth time...

What is the physical process scientists say is causing climate change? What about that process do you disagree with?

Seems like everyone is avoiding this, not even an attempt.

Actually, not. I first asked the questions for you and your Green Chum to answer me by asking you to explain why solar systems are seeing temperature changes, and how you cannot account for floods from 4k years ago and the Sahara.

Your response? To ask me to define a process that your side of the argument should be confident of explaining yourself. So like all people on unsound footing, you answer questions first put to you, by asking me to define something you should be able to articulate yourself. A truly bizarre and obtuse way of responding to two questions that neither you nor the sheep you support, can answer.

It does not inspire confidence and until I see those response I can only conclude that you are on the backfoot, just about holding up on the boxing ring ropes, clinging to a desperate position.

So as in all matters of courtesy, answer the two questions you were given to start with, and then perhaps we can engage like adults.

[the other bob wilson]

Actually, not. I first asked the questions for you and your Green Chum to answer me by asking you to explain why solar systems are seeing temperature changes, and how you cannot account for floods from 4k years ago and the Sahara.

Your response? To ask me to define a process that your side of the argument should be confident of explaining yourself. So like all people on unsound footing, you answer questions first put to you, by asking me to define something you should be able to articulate yourself. A truly bizarre and obtuse way of responding to two questions that neither you nor the sheep you support, can answer.

It does not inspire confidence and until I see those response I can only conclude that you are on the backfoot, just about holding up on the boxing ring ropes, clinging to a desperate position.

So as in all matters of courtesy, answer the two questions you were given to start with, and then perhaps we can engage like adults.

Your first two words state categorically that you’ve answered the two questions, you then spend four paragraphs and hundreds of words avoiding them

The link posted in the OP is talking about what is happening this week on a subject that is one of great issues of our time and you’re demanding answers to questions on things that happened four thousand years ago!

[Keyser Soze]

Your first two words state categorically that you’ve answered the two questions, you then spend four paragraphs and hundreds of words avoiding them

The link posted in the OP is talking about what is happening this week on a subject that is one of great issues of our time and you’re demanding answers to questions on things that happened four thousand years ago!

Jesus. Did you really need me to explain the connection? Must it be spelt out in baby speak? The logic of climate change, flooding, and warming suggest it is man made.

The counter factuals in Brian Durrant's article (which I suspect you didn't, or perhaps speed-read it, or glossed over it), show there are similar patterns outside the planet that are similar, and within the earth in both the 1970s and over centuries and millennia ago, that are the same weather cycles, that means the current global warming cannot be claimed to be man-made, blowing a hole in the logic of the Screaming Marys.

If all you want to do is look at here and now, without any context, without any counter-factuals, ignoring that it isn't a scientific consensus as those scientists who disagree get their funding withdrawn, but simply want to scream about today's hot weather must be man-made global warming and leave it at that, then perhaps you are in the wrong conversation pal. That is precisely what Brian Durrant was aiming at: that a nice "it is getting hotter, it is man-made, it is goodies v baddies, scientists cannot be questioned, deniers are evil" is a narrative that is too simplistic, and is simple enough for low IQ, easy-thinking people to understand - which is why it is sold as a narrative to junior school children.

It is a big subject. The point of science is that it is there to be cross-examined and challenged, and allowed to be challenged by other scientists (as it is), not to be a compliant "Yes, Miss" response, childishly received by what should be analytical grown up adults.

[the other bob wilson]

Jesus. Did you really need me to explain the connection? Must it be spelt out in baby speak? The logic of climate change, flooding, and warming suggest it is man made.

The counter factuals in Brian Durrant's article (which I suspect you didn't, or perhaps speed-read it, or glossed over it), show there are similar patterns outside the planet that are similar, and within the earth in both the 1970s and over centuries and millennia ago, that are the same weather cycles, that means the current global warming cannot be claimed to be man-made, blowing a hole in the logic of the Screaming Marys.

If all you want to do is look at here and now, without any context, without any counter-factuals, ignoring that it isn't a scientific consensus as those scientists who disagree get their funding withdrawn, but simply want to scream about today's hot weather must be man-made global warming and leave it at that, then perhaps you are in the wrong conversation pal. That is precisely what Brian Durrant was aiming at: that a nice "it is getting hotter, it is man-made, it is goodies v baddies, scientists cannot be questioned, deniers are evil" is a narrative that is too simplistic, and is simple enough for low IQ, easy-thinking people to understand - which is why it is sold as a narrative to junior school children.

It is a big subject. The point of science is that it is there to be cross-examined and challenged, and allowed to be challenged by other scientists (as it is), not to be a compliant "Yes, Miss" response, childishly received by what should be analytical grown up adults.

No, you don’t have to, I would be grateful if you answered the two questions though.

[TWGL1]

Honestly half of this forum is mentally ill.

For a fourth time...

What is the physical process scientists say is causing climate change? What about that process do you disagree with?

Seems like everyone is avoiding this, not even an attempt.

It’s because most posters are probably on their lunch break at the moment

[Wales-Bales]

It’s because most posters are probably on their lunch break at the moment

I'm busy tucking into a plate of climate lockdown nosh (bugs) as we speak.

[the other bob wilson]

I'm busy tucking into a plate of climate lockdown nosh (bugs) as we speak.

Yeah, looking back at it now, scuffling about trying to find tonight’s dinner under our carpets was the toughest part of the Covid lockdown wasn’t it.

[Wales-Bales]

Yeah, looking back at it now, scuffling about trying to find tonight’s dinner under our carpets was the toughest part of the Covid lockdown wasn’t it.

The toughest part was knowing that it wasn't necessary, but the masses demanded it anyway.

[pipster]

Anyone on here qualified in Geology? , Climate change, Global warming ? , anyone working for an organisation that is doing research into it all ? maybe they would like to chime in with details on the work they are doing.

Im sure you can find enough scientific links / cherry pick data to justify any argument on global warming / El Nino etc.

For the avoidance of doubt - man made climate change is making things a whole lot worse. The north pole used to be warm - until climate change altered things (but what do I know).

Pretty sure it wasnt Thatchers fault - even though there will be some on here will try and link the 2 together.
It could possibly be Kinnock with the his head reflecting the sun back into the atmosphere and the hot air from those speeches. Joking there - met him once - lovely bloke - a city fan and likes to ride the European gravy train when he can :)

[Doucas]

Anyone on here qualified in Geology? , Climate change, Global warming ? , anyone working for an organisation that is doing research into it all ? maybe they would like to chime in with details on the work they are doing.

Im sure you can find enough scientific links / cherry pick data to justify any argument on global warming / El Nino etc.

For the avoidance of doubt - man made climate change is making things a whole lot worse. The north pole used to be warm - until climate change altered things (but what do I know).

Pretty sure it wasnt Thatchers fault - even though there will be some on here will try and link the 2 together.
It could possibly be Kinnock with the his head reflecting the sun back into the atmosphere and the hot air from those speeches. Joking there - met him once - lovely bloke - a city fan and likes to ride the European gravy train when he can :)

Well my oldest friend has a PHD in Geology and he says the exact same things that I say.

But you don't need to be any of those things to listen to the people who know what they're actually talking about. I trust scientists more than someone who has fallen into a rabbithole of YouTube conspiracies.

Climate change being caused by man isn't cherry picked data ffs, the scientific consensus is this is happening because of us and it is no longer a debate as much as gravity existing or vaccines saves lives.

For the sixth time

What is the physical process scientists say is causing climate change? What about that process do you disagree with?

[pipster]

Well my oldest friend has a PHD in Geology and he says the exact same things that I say.

But you don't need to be any of those things to listen to the people who know what they're actually talking about. I trust scientists more than someone who has fallen into a rabbithole of YouTube conspiracies.

Climate change being caused by man isn't cherry picked data ffs, the scientific consensus is this is happening because of us and it is no longer a debate as much as gravity existing or vaccines saves lives.

For the sixth time

What is the physical process scientists say is causing climate change? What about that process do you disagree with?

Was that a question to me ? - dunno - I tend to trust what the scientists say. The current situation is made worse by El Nino (happens about once every 10 years apparently according to the Met Office)

Obviously as long as your best friend who has a PHD Geology is advising you, I would listen to him. You would probably change your tune though if they came out as an SNP / lib Dem or Tory...

[TheGoose]

way i see it, we are all going to die anyway so who cares if climate change is man made or natural, a hoax or real. you cant stop whats happening without bringing significant misery to those currently living so we should all crack on as normal until we all die out

[jon1959]

Does propaganda work? Absolutely!

Clearly. As you demonstrate dozens of times a day!

[Wales-Bales]

Clearly. As you demonstrate dozens of times a day!

A bloke named Bill: "If you give me all your money, live in an open prison and eat bugs, then I will save your life."

Some people on here: "Thank you Bill, you are the saviour of mankind, where do I sign up?"

[jon1959]

A bloke named Bill: "If you give me all your money, live in an open prison and eat bugs, then I will save your life."

Some people on here: "Thank you Bill, you are the saviour of mankind, where do I sign up?"

You live in a very strange fantasy world.

[Wales-Bales]

You live in a very strange fantasy world.

Fantasy is stranger than fiction.

[Dave Blue]

I’ve been in work. What’s happening?

[Heathblue]

I’ve been in work. What’s happening?

Not everyone believes.

[Wales-Bales]

Not everyone believes.

You have to know the past to understand the present.

[the other bob wilson]

I’ve been in work. What’s happening?

Nothing much, all you need to do is look at Rjk's post at 10.55 yesterday morning and Doucas' at 12.34 yesterday lunchtime to get to the heart of everything that came after those messages. The naysayers spent the rest of the day avoiding answering Rjk's questions. The two who posted the most after those messages used contrasting methods with one supplying the usual one or two liners which he thinks are witty and clever and give him a air of mystery without ever actually saying anything. On the other hand, the second one favoured providing messages often running to a thousand words plus which, in essence, amounted to him saying he knows better than the large majority of specialists in this field - he kept on saying he was about to answer Rjk's questions, but never got around to it.

[TWGL1]

Nothing much, all you need to do is look at Rjk's post at 10.55 yesterday morning and Doucas' at 12.34 yesterday lunchtime to get to the heart of everything that came after those messages. The naysayers spent the rest of the day avoiding answering Rjk's questions. The two who posted the most after those messages used contrasting methods with one supplying the usual one or two liners which he thinks are witty and clever and give him a air of mystery without ever actually saying anything. On the other hand, the second one favoured providing messages often running to a thousand words plus which, in essence, amounted to him saying he knows better than the large majority of specialists in this field - he kept on saying he was about to answer Rjk's questions, but never got around to it.

Here you go

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...se%20effect%27.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Years ago it was the 'hole on the ozone layer' that exercised the minds of the neurotics. Now that's shrinking it's 'the earth's on fire', and every opportunity by the media to tell us how hot it is in central Spain in mid July and look, there's some forest fires. I think it was March or April, and the UK had unseasonal below average temps. That was down to climate change as well.
It's a handy subject for the ever increasingly anxious western civilization to latch onto to give them some 'worry therapy'. Meanwhile there's shit in our rivers and beaches, and the oceans are filling up with rubbish the size of Texas.

[lardy]

Years ago it was the 'hole on the ozone layer' that exercised the minds of the neurotics. Now that's shrinking it's 'the earth's on fire', and every opportunity by the media to tell us how hot it is in central Spain in mid July and look, there's some forest fires. I think it was March or April, and the UK had unseasonal below average temps. That was down to climate change as well.
It's a handy subject for the ever increasingly anxious western civilization to latch onto to give them some 'worry therapy'. Meanwhile there's shit in our rivers and beaches, and the oceans are filling up with rubbish the size of Texas.

What a great example to back up your point

The hole in the ozone layer was very real and has been significantly improved by the world taking action, such as phasing out CFCs.

How come you believe the oceans are filling with rubbish but you don't believe climate change?

As if climate change is made up for worry therapy, my god...

[cyril evans awaydays]

Here you go

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...se%20effect%27.

I think that answers Rjk's first part of his question.

1. Could you describe what the "case" for man made climate change is.

What is the answer to his second part?

2. Why you don't think it is correct?

[Wales-Bales]

Nothing much, all you need to do is look at Rjk's post at 10.55 yesterday morning and Doucas' at 12.34 yesterday lunchtime to get to the heart of everything that came after those messages. The naysayers spent the rest of the day avoiding answering Rjk's questions. The two who posted the most after those messages used contrasting methods with one supplying the usual one or two liners which he thinks are witty and clever and give him a air of mystery without ever actually saying anything. On the other hand, the second one favoured providing messages often running to a thousand words plus which, in essence, amounted to him saying he knows better than the large majority of specialists in this field - he kept on saying he was about to answer Rjk's questions, but never got around to it.

It will be a rerun of covid with the same outcome, i.e. mistakes were made and the measures didn't work, etc., except this time those who comply will have enslaved future generations. I don't have a horse in this race and I don't give a sh*t what happens. All my kids are far away in a place of safety with the other half of their family, and I will be joining them soon.