Yet some will have you believe that there’s nothing to see here.

[Wales-Bales]

I'm not scared.

I've just checked my underpants, me neither

[jon1959]

A bloke named Bill: "If you give me all your money, live in an open prison and eat bugs, then I will save your life."

Some people on here: "Thank you Bill, you are the saviour of mankind, where do I sign up?"

You live in a very strange fantasy world.

[jon1959]

I've just checked my underpants, me neither

You live in a stranger fantasy world than I thought.

You are a knicker-sniffing narcissistic loon - so not all bad!

[Wales-Bales]

You live in a very strange fantasy world.

Fantasy is stranger than fiction.

[Dave Blue]

I’ve been in work. What’s happening?

[Heathblue]

I’ve been in work. What’s happening?

Not everyone believes.

[Wales-Bales]

Not everyone believes.

You have to know the past to understand the present.

[the other bob wilson]

I’ve been in work. What’s happening?

Nothing much, all you need to do is look at Rjk's post at 10.55 yesterday morning and Doucas' at 12.34 yesterday lunchtime to get to the heart of everything that came after those messages. The naysayers spent the rest of the day avoiding answering Rjk's questions. The two who posted the most after those messages used contrasting methods with one supplying the usual one or two liners which he thinks are witty and clever and give him a air of mystery without ever actually saying anything. On the other hand, the second one favoured providing messages often running to a thousand words plus which, in essence, amounted to him saying he knows better than the large majority of specialists in this field - he kept on saying he was about to answer Rjk's questions, but never got around to it.

[TWGL1]

Nothing much, all you need to do is look at Rjk's post at 10.55 yesterday morning and Doucas' at 12.34 yesterday lunchtime to get to the heart of everything that came after those messages. The naysayers spent the rest of the day avoiding answering Rjk's questions. The two who posted the most after those messages used contrasting methods with one supplying the usual one or two liners which he thinks are witty and clever and give him a air of mystery without ever actually saying anything. On the other hand, the second one favoured providing messages often running to a thousand words plus which, in essence, amounted to him saying he knows better than the large majority of specialists in this field - he kept on saying he was about to answer Rjk's questions, but never got around to it.

Here you go

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...se%20effect%27.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Years ago it was the 'hole on the ozone layer' that exercised the minds of the neurotics. Now that's shrinking it's 'the earth's on fire', and every opportunity by the media to tell us how hot it is in central Spain in mid July and look, there's some forest fires. I think it was March or April, and the UK had unseasonal below average temps. That was down to climate change as well.
It's a handy subject for the ever increasingly anxious western civilization to latch onto to give them some 'worry therapy'. Meanwhile there's shit in our rivers and beaches, and the oceans are filling up with rubbish the size of Texas.

[lardy]

Years ago it was the 'hole on the ozone layer' that exercised the minds of the neurotics. Now that's shrinking it's 'the earth's on fire', and every opportunity by the media to tell us how hot it is in central Spain in mid July and look, there's some forest fires. I think it was March or April, and the UK had unseasonal below average temps. That was down to climate change as well.
It's a handy subject for the ever increasingly anxious western civilization to latch onto to give them some 'worry therapy'. Meanwhile there's shit in our rivers and beaches, and the oceans are filling up with rubbish the size of Texas.

What a great example to back up your point

The hole in the ozone layer was very real and has been significantly improved by the world taking action, such as phasing out CFCs.

How come you believe the oceans are filling with rubbish but you don't believe climate change?

As if climate change is made up for worry therapy, my god...

[cyril evans awaydays]

Here you go

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...se%20effect%27.

I think that answers Rjk's first part of his question.

1. Could you describe what the "case" for man made climate change is.

What is the answer to his second part?

2. Why you don't think it is correct?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

What a great example to back up your point

The hole in the ozone layer was very real and has been significantly improved by the world taking action, such as phasing out CFCs.

How come you believe the oceans are filling with rubbish but you don't believe climate change?

As if climate change is made up for worry therapy, my god...

The ozone layer has been fluctuating in size ever since scientists started studying it. Re. the oceans and rivers, that's just pollution. Pollution which no-one really gets worked up about..

[lardy]

The ozone layer has been fluctuating in size ever since scientists started studying it. Re. the oceans and rivers, that's just pollution. Pollution which no-one really gets worked up about..

So you believe scientists when they say it's fluctuated but not other things? How inconsistent.

Plastic pollution in the ocean and especially microplastics getting into the food chain is considered a major global environmental issue, hence all the efforts to recycle and stop using single use plastics. Maybe you missed them? Don't worry though, plenty of people are getting worked up about it. Humans are wrecking the planet in more ways than one.

[Wales-Bales]

Nothing much, all you need to do is look at Rjk's post at 10.55 yesterday morning and Doucas' at 12.34 yesterday lunchtime to get to the heart of everything that came after those messages. The naysayers spent the rest of the day avoiding answering Rjk's questions. The two who posted the most after those messages used contrasting methods with one supplying the usual one or two liners which he thinks are witty and clever and give him a air of mystery without ever actually saying anything. On the other hand, the second one favoured providing messages often running to a thousand words plus which, in essence, amounted to him saying he knows better than the large majority of specialists in this field - he kept on saying he was about to answer Rjk's questions, but never got around to it.

It will be a rerun of covid with the same outcome, i.e. mistakes were made and the measures didn't work, etc., except this time those who comply will have enslaved future generations. I don't have a horse in this race and I don't give a sh*t what happens. All my kids are far away in a place of safety with the other half of their family, and I will be joining them soon.

[cyril evans awaydays]

It will be a rerun of covid with the same outcome, i.e. mistakes were made and the measures didn't work, etc., except this time those who comply will have enslaved future generations. I don't have a horse in this race and I don't give a sh*t what happens. All my kids are far away in a place of safety with the other half of their family, and I will be joining them soon.

Which part of Russia?

[Wales-Bales]

Which part of Russia?

Nowhere near Russia or the west.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Nowhere near Russia or the west.

I hear Fantasia is nice this time of year.

[JamesWales]

The planet is warming and the climate is changing and that almost certainly is exacerbated by man made issues and even if it isnt, is it worth the risk?

The climate alarmism does annoy me though. Not least cos a lot of it is disproportionate and breeds anxiety and hopelessness. The BBC breakfast news was just on the Gaza Strip speaking to some construction worker sweating and saying it was too hot. But just up the road yesterday in Tel Aviv it was 32c, only s degree or so above normal.

Likewise, with perhaps 10,000 cities, regions, countries, continents etc, 12 months, 52 weeks and 365 days in every year, and with weather data going back at best 100 years, it will always be the coldest February in Detroit, or the sunniest May in Damascus or the wettest autumn in southern Tajikistan etc etc

That isnt to deny what's happening, it's a plea for more hopeful reporting. The UK has massively decarbonised in the last decade. Coal gas effectively ceased to be a power source, yet for political reasons many can't bring themselves to acknowledge that. People need to do more to encourage greening cities, provision of shade, protection of water, new building design etc. The narrative needs to shift to reporting on and promoting such things.

We can't just have endless doom-laden news. If for no other reason than people will get bored, feel hopeless and give up

[Wales-Bales]

Behaviour change on climate can be driven by TV, says Sky

https://www.skygroup.sky/article/beh...by-tv-says-sky

[Wales-Bales]

I hear Fantasia is nice this time of year.

Unfortunately you have to stay here and fix the mess you are creating.

[lardy]

The planet is warming and the climate is changing and that almost certainly is exacerbated by man made issues and even if it isnt, is it worth the risk?

The climate alarmism does annoy me though. Not least cos a lot of it is disproportionate and breeds anxiety and hopelessness. The BBC breakfast news was just on the Gaza Strip speaking to some construction worker sweating and saying it was too hot. But just up the road yesterday in Tel Aviv it was 32c, only s degree or so above normal.

Likewise, with perhaps 10,000 cities, regions, countries, continents etc, 12 months, 52 weeks and 365 days in every year, and with weather data going back at best 100 years, it will always be the coldest February in Detroit, or the sunniest May in Damascus or the wettest autumn in southern Tajikistan etc etc

That isnt to deny what's happening, it's a plea for more hopeful reporting. The UK has massively decarbonised in the last decade. Coal gas effectively ceased to be a power source, yet for political reasons many can't bring themselves to acknowledge that. People need to do more to encourage greening cities, provision of shade, protection of water, new building design etc. The narrative needs to shift to reporting on and promoting such things.

We can't just have endless doom-laden news. If for no other reason than people will get bored, feel hopeless and give up

Yeah I know, and why don't they ever report on all the American schools that didn't have a shooting that day?

[cyril evans awaydays]

The planet is warming and the climate is changing and that almost certainly is exacerbated by man made issues and even if it isnt, is it worth the risk?

The climate alarmism does annoy me though. Not least cos a lot of it is disproportionate and breeds anxiety and hopelessness. The BBC breakfast news was just on the Gaza Strip speaking to some construction worker sweating and saying it was too hot. But just up the road yesterday in Tel Aviv it was 32c, only s degree or so above normal.

Likewise, with perhaps 10,000 cities, regions, countries, continents etc, 12 months, 52 weeks and 365 days in every year, and with weather data going back at best 100 years, it will always be the coldest February in Detroit, or the sunniest May in Damascus or the wettest autumn in southern Tajikistan etc etc

That isnt to deny what's happening, it's a plea for more hopeful reporting. The UK has massively decarbonised in the last decade. Coal gas effectively ceased to be a power source, yet for political reasons many can't bring themselves to acknowledge that. People need to do more to encourage greening cities, provision of shade, protection of water, new building design etc..

We can't just have endless doom-laden news. If for no other reason than people will get bored, feel hopeless and give up

Out of interest how should something as incremental as climate change get reported?

It seems a bit facile to say a little while after the highest mean recorded temperature in the planet's history we should dial it down because some places were cooler. In any event climate change is not just about heat.

Do we have to wait until an inhabited Pacific island gets flooded before something is considered newsworthy or are updated of ice-caps and glaciers melting and rainforests shrinking unworthy of reporting because they risk boring and alienating a section of society? Perhaps young people may feel differently than the average demographic that contributes to this Board, who knows?

[Wales-Bales]

The planet is warming and the climate is changing and that almost certainly is exacerbated by man made issues and even if it isnt, is it worth the risk?

The climate alarmism does annoy me though. Not least cos a lot of it is disproportionate and breeds anxiety and hopelessness. The BBC breakfast news was just on the Gaza Strip speaking to some construction worker sweating and saying it was too hot. But just up the road yesterday in Tel Aviv it was 32c, only s degree or so above normal.

Likewise, with perhaps 10,000 cities, regions, countries, continents etc, 12 months, 52 weeks and 365 days in every year, and with weather data going back at best 100 years, it will always be the coldest February in Detroit, or the sunniest May in Damascus or the wettest autumn in southern Tajikistan etc etc

That isnt to deny what's happening, it's a plea for more hopeful reporting. The UK has massively decarbonised in the last decade. Coal gas effectively ceased to be a power source, yet for political reasons many can't bring themselves to acknowledge that. People need to do more to encourage greening cities, provision of shade, protection of water, new building design etc. The narrative needs to shift to reporting on and promoting such things.

We can't just have endless doom-laden news. If for no other reason than people will get bored, feel hopeless and give up

The climate presentation seems to be very similar to covid presentation, nudge nudge, wink wink.

[JamesWales]

Yeah I know, and why don't they ever report on all the American schools that didn't have a shooting that day?

Your analogy somewhat misses the point, but I'll run with it. How has all the reporting of them (and I'm not saying they shouldn't) reduced them? It's harder than it used to be to commit these atrocities and yet they are happening more, why is that?