Today's topic - privatising public transport and our utilities have benefitted the general public

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

tolerant left speaks again

Absolutely

Get rid of the tory filth

It's Absolutely pointless entering into political debate

I would vote monster raving looney if it kicked your lot out

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tolerant left speaks again

Ian Bone had the right idea

https://youtu.be/ZX194qxx1j0

[Doucas]

Absolutely

Get rid of the tory filth

It's Absolutely pointless entering into political debate

I would vote monster raving looney if it kicked your lot out

Conservatives genuinely can't tell why they're not only disliked, they're hated. This feeling will only grow as time goes on and Gen Z/Alpha enter adulthood.

A good video that explains this further here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dma7_qTLjT0

[Keyser Soze]

So you vote for a capitalist monopoly .....the Tories , who have screwed up the lives of so many over the years



Yet deride the Welsh Labour government which despite its clear failings most of us support

You complete self obsessed idiot

Monopoly? What planet do you live on? A monopoly is permanent overall control. Try looking up the term. You want to discuss politics it seems, but in a pre-pubescent style - an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you. That is, no debate at all.

I fail to see the monopoly in the UK. 13 years of Conservative rule (will be 14 unless it collapses before the election) and 13 years of Labour before it: 1997-2010. I see no monopoly there, sunshine.

Yet Labour have been in power in the Welsh assembly since it was formed. That is a monopoly of some two decades. Granted the Welsh Conservatives are a joke, Lib Dems anonymous and Plaid still suffer from too many academics being involved, a lack of funding, and the anglosphere of Wales and its English immigrants still have a Welsh-phobia about North Wales, their own historic culture and the native language itself. Youngsters are changing though - I think in time Plaid will track the SNP and catch up.

[Keyser Soze]

Conservatives genuinely can't tell why they're not only disliked, they're hated. This feeling will only grow as time goes on and Gen Z/Alpha enter adulthood.

A good video that explains this further here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dma7_qTLjT0

They have been saying this since I was sixteen: the young will vote different. Never works. As soon as all the properties and share portfolios are passed down through Middle class Wales and England they will turn Conservative. As you get older you see the damage Left do. If you had studied economic or political history you would see it anyway.

You have less cash when you’re young. You’ll rebel against the status quo. You think you have all the answers. As you accumulate money and assets, get life experience, have kids and want to provide for them, you become less emotional and more rational. That leads you to be more Conservative. Same in US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and here. It never changes.

The youtube video is one-eyed bile young schmuck. So I wouldn’t get hard in your trousers about that video - it’ll only go floppy again. Come back in 2035 and I’ll show you the same: Labour getting occasional wins but Conservatives will likely dominate.

[Doucas]

They have been saying this since I was sixteen: the young will vote different. Never works. As soon as all the properties and share portfolios are passed down through Middle class Wales and England they will turn Conservative. As you get older you see the damage Left do. If you had studied economic or political history you would see it anyway.

You have less cash when you’re young. You’ll rebel against the status quo. You think you have all the answers. As you accumulate money and assets, get life experience, have kids and want to provide for them, you become less emotional and more rational. That leads you to be more Conservative. Same in US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and here. It never changes.

The youtube video is one-eyed bile young schmuck. So I wouldn’t get hard in your trousers about that video - it’ll only go floppy again. Come back in 2035 and I’ll show you the same: Labour getting occasional wins but Conservatives will likely dominate.

Lol you're hugely out of touch. In all of those countries there are huge swings to the left among those generations that aren't shifting right as they get older, why would we? What has the right done for young people? Are jobs paying well? Nope. Is housing affordable? Nope. Are you taking any meanginful action on climate change? Nope. Are you protecting the NHS from privatisation? Nope.

You're forgetting millenials are entering their 40s now. They've seen the most selfish generation in history cut public services to make themselves and the wealthy richer, we won't forget this.

Gen Z hate tories even more than millenials. You have no answers to anything, you just shake your fists at transgender people and wokeness whatever that is without having the ability to solve any issues.

[Hilts]

Even Tories hate Tories.🤣

[Eric Cartman]

They have been saying this since I was sixteen: the young will vote different. Never works. As soon as all the properties and share portfolios are passed down through Middle class Wales and England they will turn Conservative. As you get older you see the damage Left do. If you had studied economic or political history you would see it anyway.

You have less cash when you’re young. You’ll rebel against the status quo. You think you have all the answers. As you accumulate money and assets, get life experience, have kids and want to provide for them, you become less emotional and more rational. That leads you to be more Conservative. Same in US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and here. It never changes.

The youtube video is one-eyed bile young schmuck. So I wouldn’t get hard in your trousers about that video - it’ll only go floppy again. Come back in 2035 and I’ll show you the same: Labour getting occasional wins but Conservatives will likely dominate.

That is a very naive way to look at things. There is a generation that are seeing wealth being accumulated but don't have the same chances as those that came before them. Things obviously can change and the UK is in a perilous position economically, as is the average person. Empires fall, theories like this that seemed like they would last forever can be gone in a generation.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Monopoly? What planet do you live on? A monopoly is permanent overall control. Try looking up the term. You want to discuss politics it seems, but in a pre-pubescent style - an echo chamber where everyone agrees with you. That is, no debate at all.

I fail to see the monopoly in the UK. 13 years of Conservative rule (will be 14 unless it collapses before the election) and 13 years of Labour before it: 1997-2010. I see no monopoly there, sunshine.

Yet Labour have been in power in the Welsh assembly since it was formed. That is a monopoly of some two decades. Granted the Welsh Conservatives are a joke, Lib Dems anonymous and Plaid still suffer from too many academics being involved, a lack of funding, and the anglosphere of Wales and its English immigrants still have a Welsh-phobia about North Wales, their own historic culture and the native language itself. Youngsters are changing though - I think in time Plaid will track the SNP and catch up.

You utter bore

I don't care what you say you did or what you have studied or the realms of Google research you lay on

You are a tory

Persona non grata

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Lol you're hugely out of touch. In all of those countries there are huge swings to the left among those generations that aren't shifting right as they get older, why would we? What has the right done for young people? Are jobs paying well? Nope. Is housing affordable? Nope. Are you taking any meanginful action on climate change? Nope. Are you protecting the NHS from privatisation? Nope.

You're forgetting millenials are entering their 40s now. They've seen the most selfish generation in history cut public services to make themselves and the wealthy richer, we won't forget this.

Gen Z hate tories even more than millenials. You have no answers to anything, you just shake your fists at transgender people and wokeness whatever that is without having the ability to solve any issues.

Woke this Woke that

People who go on about Woke are odd

And a lot of them are racist and homophobic

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Rubbish before and rubbish afterwards
Should follow the Welsh water model instead
Not for profit core with some services contracted out

Welsh Water 'for Wales not for profit'. That's why the beaches and rivers of Wales are full of shit. They're as bad as them all..

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Lol you're hugely out of touch. In all of those countries there are huge swings to the left among those generations that aren't shifting right as they get older, why would we? What has the right done for young people? Are jobs paying well? Nope. Is housing affordable? Nope. Are you taking any meanginful action on climate change? Nope. Are you protecting the NHS from privatisation? Nope.

You're forgetting millenials are entering their 40s now. They've seen the most selfish generation in history cut public services to make themselves and the wealthy richer, we won't forget this.

Gen Z hate tories even more than millenials. You have no answers to anything, you just shake your fists at transgender people and wokeness whatever that is without having the ability to solve any issues.

As you get older you see the damage the left can do ?

You sanctimonious clown

I mean 60 percent of the country doesn't vote for the tory party therefore they can see what damage the right can do

There is a broad anti tory movement in this country who might be left , liberal, green or independent

It's not just lefties who think the Tories are not welcome

[Keyser Soze]

That is a very naive way to look at things. There is a generation that are seeing wealth being accumulated but don't have the same chances as those that came before them. Things obviously can change and the UK is in a perilous position economically, as is the average person. Empires fall, theories like this that seemed like they would last forever can be gone in a generation.

"Empires fall" is wishful thinking. Where do you young donuts think the wealth will go? Two thirds of private houses in the UK are now mortgage-free, or will be in five years time. This year the amount of ISA millionaires have tripled. The elderly don't spend much - a huge wall of money will be passed down in the next ten years. More private wealth than seen in the last seventy years. The youtube video totally missed that - presumably because the bone-header editor had a very weird assumption that all this "elderly wealth" would go the government or seemingly disappear into thin air.

What has happened is a temporary abberation where because the elderly are healthier than ever before, they are living longer. But when a huge amount pass away in the next decade there is a wall of inherited wealth via share portfolios, life insurance policies and private property that is coming to a younger generation near you.

And if there is one thing we know, that when a person with no money, or little money, receive a windfall, they will not be calling for higher taxes anymore. A few may. But most won't. A bit like inheritance battles between siblings, when big money appears, most humans change their ideas and behaviours. Suddenly they won't be calling for 40% inheritance taxes and 40% capital gains taxes like a squealing Corbyn anymore. The green-eyed envy, spite and whinging will dissipate and all these Facebook / Instagram charlies will be sumping the bottles of Champagne on a yacht in the Carrribean, thanking their lucky stars that the "miserable, greedy old boomer bat called Aunt Maud" left them a will. Suddenly they will have money, assets and tax free income in their ISAs, SIPPs and share portfolios coming in. They'll be turning blue alright.

And when these whinging Millennials inherit, Gen Z will be hot on their tails for their payday too. This mob will be like the ones my age who "Hated Thatcher and the rich, money-obsessed, vulgar Tories" and voted New Labour. But once they inherited money, or had a load free / cheap debt in the early 2000s, or made money out of the tech boom, what did these Champagne Socialists do? Get on the buy-to-let train that the 1980s Thatcher yuppies did. Yep, you know the type. Out on yachts, big tech share portfolios, three holidays a year in villas on the med, champagne in ice buckets, pictures all over social media how they were living the high life. Aye, great socialists they remained - hypocrites, left right and centre.

The laughable bonehead pleb who compiled that youtube video has forgotten how predictable human behaviour is when money is on the table, and how values, principles and voting patterns will turn on a sixpence. And many idiot mugs have fallen for it, bless them. Not surprising - you just can't educate pork.

[Doucas]

As you get older you see the damage the left can do ?

You sanctimonious clown

I mean 60 percent of the country doesn't vote for the tory party therefore they can see what damage the right can do

There is a broad anti tory movement in this country who might be left , liberal, green or independent

It's not just lefties who think the Tories are not welcome

Think you quoted the wrong person.

[JamesWales]

Conservatives genuinely can't tell why they're not only disliked, they're hated. This feeling will only grow as time goes on and Gen Z/Alpha enter adulthood.

A good video that explains this further here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dma7_qTLjT0

I know loads of young people, work with dozens of them. None of them are remotely as hate filled, narrow minded or bigoted as you, even allowing for the anonymity that allows trolling all the easier.

You and Sludge (by far the most abusive of the left-sided people on here) never back up your extreme conclusions with evidence. It's just endless baffling abuse.

And you live in the poorest part of the UK with health and education outcomes nearly universally worse than over the border. Honestly, you really are the kind of people that hold Wales back tbh

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I know loads of young people, work with dozens of them. None of them are remotely as hate filled, narrow minded or bigoted as you, even allowing for the anonymity that allows trolling all the easier.

You and Sludge (by far the most abusive of the left-sided people on here) never back up your extreme conclusions with evidence. It's just endless baffling abuse.

And you live in the poorest part of the UK with health and education outcomes nearly universally worse than over the border. Honestly, you really are the kind of people that hold Wales back tbh

Boring , sanctimonious listen to me crap

You have a few new friends on here but you are all full of the same nonsense

I couldn't give a toss if you think the Welsh are stupid to not vote Tory

You are in a minority in the UK thinking your public school boys should run the country and you are certainly in a minority in Wales

Google away and then pretend you have all these facts at your fingers to appear clever

I get bored with most of it especially the usual suspect

[JamesWales]

Boring , sanctimonious listen to me crap

You have a few new friends on here but you are all full of the same nonsense

I couldn't give a toss if you think the Welsh are stupid to not vote Tory

You are in a minority in the UK thinking your public school boys should run the country and you are certainly in a minority in Wales

Google away and then pretend you have all these facts at your fingers to appear clever

I get bored with most of it especially the usual suspect

You said the other day you have no interest in "debating with Tories" (which is basically anyone who isn't you.

Which does beg the question why you frequent a message board.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You said the other day you have no interest in "debating with Tories" (which is basically anyone who isn't you.

Which does beg the question why you frequent a message board.

It might beg you the question but I personally couldn't give a toss

It's your disingenuous crap about being a Liberal tory who might sometimes vote something else that is my laughing gas

It's absolute nonsense but I don't mind reading it as it's amusing tbh

[JamesWales]

It might beg you the question but I personally couldn't give a toss

It's your disingenuous crap about being a Liberal tory who might sometimes vote something else that is my laughing gas

It's absolute nonsense but I don't mind reading it as it's amusing tbh

You realise that being a liberal means arguing against narrow minded people such as yourself right?

[Eric Cartman]

"Empires fall" is wishful thinking. Where do you young donuts think the wealth will go? Two thirds of private houses in the UK are now mortgage-free, or will be in five years time. This year the amount of ISA millionaires have tripled. The elderly don't spend much - a huge wall of money will be passed down in the next ten years. More private wealth than seen in the last seventy years. The youtube video totally missed that - presumably because the bone-header editor had a very weird assumption that all this "elderly wealth" would go the government or seemingly disappear into thin air.

What has happened is a temporary abberation where because the elderly are healthier than ever before, they are living longer. But when a huge amount pass away in the next decade there is a wall of inherited wealth via share portfolios, life insurance policies and private property that is coming to a younger generation near you.

And if there is one thing we know, that when a person with no money, or little money, receive a windfall, they will not be calling for higher taxes anymore. A few may. But most won't. A bit like inheritance battles between siblings, when big money appears, most humans change their ideas and behaviours. Suddenly they won't be calling for 40% inheritance taxes and 40% capital gains taxes like a squealing Corbyn anymore. The green-eyed envy, spite and whinging will dissipate and all these Facebook / Instagram charlies will be sumping the bottles of Champagne on a yacht in the Carrribean, thanking their lucky stars that the "miserable, greedy old boomer bat called Aunt Maud" left them a will. Suddenly they will have money, assets and tax free income in their ISAs, SIPPs and share portfolios coming in. They'll be turning blue alright.

And when these whinging Millennials inherit, Gen Z will be hot on their tails for their payday too. This mob will be like the ones my age who "Hated Thatcher and the rich, money-obsessed, vulgar Tories" and voted New Labour. But once they inherited money, or had a load free / cheap debt in the early 2000s, or made money out of the tech boom, what did these Champagne Socialists do? Get on the buy-to-let train that the 1980s Thatcher yuppies did. Yep, you know the type. Out on yachts, big tech share portfolios, three holidays a year in villas on the med, champagne in ice buckets, pictures all over social media how they were living the high life. Aye, great socialists they remained - hypocrites, left right and centre.

The laughable bonehead pleb who compiled that youtube video has forgotten how predictable human behaviour is when money is on the table, and how values, principles and voting patterns will turn on a sixpence. And many idiot mugs have fallen for it, bless them. Not surprising - you just can't educate pork.

You need to chill.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. In my opinion the UK is in terminal decline. No growth, flatlining economy, squeezed middle class via constant real terms pay cuts and inflated asset prices, ticking timebomb of pensions, ticking time bomb of simply maintaining life at its current quality standard, the list is almost neverending.

I don't think it's wise to extrapolate any trends (perceived or actual) under these circumstances. The world will look very different (in many many ways) in a few decades and Britain might not be a country which cant 'afford to allow' it's middle class to be bathing in inherited assets. If the majority aren't feeling rich and the Tories don't repivot to core message which is something other than 'keep everything going as it is' then they are legitimately ****ed.

Incomes in the middle have been squeezed so much so far that within the median cohort we are projected to very soon be lagging behind (in living standards) countries we would have called 3rd world a few decades ago. No reason to believe that won't continue.

'Empires fall' was referring to the above btw, not the Tory party as an empire (not sure that was clear). At a macro level the world will look very different in 50 years time.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You realise that being a liberal means arguing against narrow minded people such as yourself right?

I am not narrow minded

I don't mind liberals

Or greens

Or independents

Or people who don't know choose to vote

It's just Tories that I hate

Sorry

[JamesWales]

I am not narrow minded

I don't mind liberals

Or greens

Or independents

Or people who don't know choose to vote

It's just Tories that I hate

Sorry

You are unbelievably narrow minded! "Oh I don't mind anyone who agrees with me. I just hate anyone who doesn't." Such a bloody toddler!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You are unbelievably narrow minded! "Oh I don't mind anyone who agrees with me. I just hate anyone who doesn't." Such a bloody toddler!

I will try and explain again for you

You are a taffy tory

Probably the worst kind of judas

I am afraid you are not welcome

[Alan Lung]

Woke this Woke that

People who go on about Woke are odd

All of them are racist and homophobic

Fixed your post for you.

[pipster]

You need to chill.


Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. In my opinion the UK is in terminal decline

People have been spouting that cr@p since the 1970s in order to justify their argument and how is that working out for you?