Reply With QuoteAbsolute clown that tory leaderOriginally Posted by Hilts
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You cant go saying things like that on here, you will upset all the supporters of King Mark , the mad king of Wales with a tax fetish (apart from anyone that owns a chalet in west wales)
Apologise immediately or you'll need to go through Sludge's socialist re-education program.
Absolute clown that tory leader
This is how much Wales hates the tory clowns
Drakeford is a complete madman
But the country would rather him in charge
Than you Tories
Hard luck 🤞
Rt Davies?
He's photographed supporting the 20 mph plan
Oops
Sums up modern day politics. Left or right , blue or red , they are all very similar and they will all implement the same political ideology with big ticket agenda’s things like climate change , Covid Universal Credit etc.
On a lower level you may see small changes.
Not political ideology, that comes from the dark side. This is all common sense saving lives and the planet strategies. More power to their elbow!
I'm not really sure that making nearly every road 20mph and then fining people for driving perfectly safely at around 24mph is the best definition of common sense, but there you go
So what about driving 34 mph in a 30 mph zone currently? Is that safe?
How about driving 30 in a 30 area? If we are talking common sense, that seems sensible. The idiots doing 40 and the idiots demanding 20 and fining people are the ones in the wrong, in my humble opinion as a driver, pedestrian, cyclist, public transport user, parent and general citizen.
If its about safety why not ban all motor vehicles then ?
If its about saving lifestyle then banning cars and all types of motor vehicles is the only way forward.
You can die by being hit by a bus at 10mph.
you are a ridiculous person
Why? The claim was this was about safety. If we want to be truly safe, then why not ban all cars? Who gets to decide its 20mph? Why not 10mph? Why not zero?
if you object to reducing it to 20, why have any speed limits at all, let's have people driving at 120mph through housing estates?
I think with most things you need to balance risk and reward and we can't really live in a world that is totally controlled with zero risk.
In such a world not only would we be pootling along doing 20mph on wide safe roads, but we would also be closing every pub at 11pm, banning alcohol over about 4%, limiting physical sports, banning any food that isn't healthy etc etc etc.
The blanket 20mph is a step too far for me.
it's not a blanket 20mph ban though is it?
I drove 8 miles to work this morning - starting in the north of Cardiff and ending up near the bay/town
the first 100 and last 100 metres were at 20mph but I'm pretty sure that's it.
Fair point. I often do the same drive.
However, I believe it is applied in a blanket fashion and then specific exceptions are applied, typically for some arterial roads. There are more than 3000 roads in Cardiff and only a handful of exceptions so it's a blanket with few holes
The idea that streets such as Pantmawr Road, Heol Llanishen Fach, Caerphilly Rd, Maes-y-Coed Rd can only be driven safely at 20mph is ridiculous overreach IMO.
As it happens I'd say only around 10% of drivers comply, so most of the time speeds haven't changed much, but that does undermine the entire point of it and creates a disconnect between drivers and policy makers.
Put simply, it just didn't need to change. I'd have favoured more targeted approaches and more severe penalties for serious speeding, as we all come across the idiots doing 40-50mph on such roads sometimes.
It's not very often but I agree with you on this one. Possibly the idea itself has merit but it's management and implementation leave a lot to be desired.
of those you've listed I'd probably make Caerphilly road 30 but the rest don't seem too unreasonable to be 20 tbh.
at rush hour it's a moot point anyway as nobody will be doing 20 on pantmawr road
Yeah I mean that's kinda the point. People regulate themselves based on the traffic and surroundings anyway. Unless you are an absolute dickhead in which case you probably still will be.
Thats absurd. I'm arguing that for total safety, only a complete ban would work. The data shows that reducing the limit from 30mph to 20mph has an adverse impact on pollution and doesn't reduce road deaths. So why bother ?
the data does not show that at all.
many places around the world similar speed reductions have been introduced and it resulted in fewer deaths and less pollution
Which data shows that? I posted this earlier in the thread. It sets out exactly how this project has been assessed. Of course, you can argue about the methods used and the judgements and values applied in the appraisal, but it doesn't show 'no impact on road deaths' or an 'adverse impact on pollution'.
https://senedd.wales/media/fo3ibze5/...15187-em-e.pdf
It’s a bit if a turgid read, but worth doing if people genuinely want to understand and debate how this project has been assessed.
quite the understatement.
But do you agree you can still be killed at 10mph, in which case the sensible conclusion is to ban all traffic. This removes all pollution from motor vehicles and ensures no one dies at all, which has to be the aim.
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