Argy bargey

[Dorcus]

I love how you all think there is a simple or easy solution to this and that somehow the country can easily process often hundreds of people illegally arriving daily.

The reality is you know how hard it is, but these people are handy pawns for a wider party political game. Nothing will change under Labour because if anything the things required to reduce the numbers will only be weakened by them, or, far more likely they try to do exactly the same as the current govt are, but this time they will be thrwarted by processes and organisations that they support.

What is baffling to me is that you guys don't see how fed up so many people are with this - those same people will be fed up at 'your lot' before long. I don't think many of you care that much for the people in question, let alone the hundreds of thousands of homeless Brits watching on, but at least if people start criticising a Labour govt you will be keener to sort the issue out.

A. There is an easier solution and...
B. Surely there's more important things to worry about like climate change and inequality?
C. I feel great, I don't give a f**k about it! (Big thank you to 30p Lee for his help in writing this post)

[cyril evans awaydays]

I love how you all think there is a simple or easy solution to this and that somehow the country can easily process often hundreds of people illegally arriving daily.

The reality is you know how hard it is, but these people are handy pawns for a wider party political game. Nothing will change under Labour because if anything the things required to reduce the numbers will only be weakened by them, or, far more likely they try to do exactly the same as the current govt are, but this time they will be thrwarted by processes and organisations that they support.

What is baffling to me is that you guys don't see how fed up so many people are with this - those same people will be fed up at 'your lot' before long. I don't think many of you care that much for the people in question, let alone the hundreds of thousands of homeless Brits watching on, but at least if people start criticising a Labour govt you will be keener to sort the issue out.

There are hundreds of thousands of homeless Brits watching on after a decade and half of Tory rule? How did that happen?

[superfeathers]

I love how you all think there is a simple or easy solution to this and that somehow the country can easily process often hundreds of people illegally arriving daily.

The reality is you know how hard it is, but these people are handy pawns for a wider party political game. .

I don’t dispute it’s not a complex issue. But it’s only the right and the right wing press using these people as pawns.

They know Rwanda won’t happen. They know putting 500 people on a boat is a pr stunt. All the while the mail and their ilk tell everyone that the reason the country and its services are falling apart isn’t because of the lack of investment but because of some black people on boats.

Let’s not pretend that if this was solved they’d be looking to get the homeless off the streets

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I love how you all think there is a simple or easy solution to this and that somehow the country can easily process often hundreds of people illegally arriving daily.

The reality is you know how hard it is, but these people are handy pawns for a wider party political game. Nothing will change under Labour because if anything the things required to reduce the numbers will only be weakened by them, or, far more likely they try to do exactly the same as the current govt are, but this time they will be thrwarted by processes and organisations that they support.

What is baffling to me is that you guys don't see how fed up so many people are with this - those same people will be fed up at 'your lot' before long. I don't think many of you care that much for the people in question, let alone the hundreds of thousands of homeless Brits watching on, but at least if people start criticising a Labour govt you will be keener to sort the issue out.

This tory government is shite and incompetent and disingenuous...........equals ......we don't care about the migrants ?

You complete idiot

No wonder you have stayed away

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I don’t dispute it’s not a complex issue. But it’s only the right and the right wing press using these people as pawns.

They know Rwanda won’t happen. They know putting 500 people on a boat is a pr stunt. All the while the mail and their ilk tell everyone that the reason the country and its services are falling apart isn’t because of the lack of investment but because of some black people on boats.

Let’s not pretend that if this was solved they’d be looking to get the homeless off the streets

Tory brings what about OUR homeless etc etc into things to further his divide and rule scorched earth policy

[Dorcus]

This tory government is shite and incompetent and disingenuous...........equals ......we don't care about the migrants ?

You complete idiot

No wonder you have stayed away

Well I don't agree! I know noone could possibly take him seriously but I like him; his musings brighten up an otherwise dull day!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Well I don't agree! I know noone could possibly take him seriously but I like him; his musings brighten up an otherwise dull day!

Nightmares In A Damaged Brain

[Dorcus]

Nightmares In A Damaged Brain

That was a Vincent Price masterpiece. Wasn't it directed by Roger Corman?

[JamesWales]

There are hundreds of thousands of homeless Brits watching on after a decade and half of Tory rule? How did that happen?

Pretty certain homelessness exists across the UK, and is most prevalent in London. It certainly exists here, which rather suggests it's more complex than you imply.

But my point remains. Many of you view this whole debacle as a means to make party political points. I rather suspect a genuine desire to solve it will only come with a Labour govt - that's a benefit of them coming in, I agree on that. But I really don't think the situation would improve

[Doucas]

It's nearly as bad as over spending £900,000,000 of your annual budget - like they have done at the Senedd, this after having to give back 150,000,000 to Westminster as Mark Dipsh1t forgot to spend it.

If those figures shock you go check out Westminster budgets.

As I've said on here, the right on here apply a 1000% rage filter to anything that's not their own party and a 1% filter to their own corruption and incompetence.

[Doucas]

That is an interesting way to describe putting people on a boat that was subject to further testing before those results had been returned. It isn't much point having safety standards and testing unless you wait to hear the result before acting.

The above might actually be generous, some accounts suggest results came back earlier this week before migrants were ordered to board and before Jenrick's comments about it being 'perfectly safe'.

This governments response to the migration is cock up after cock up and yet here you are yet again to defend them.




Well from what I can see, the contract with CTM is 1.6 billion to house 1500 migrants for 2 years in barges. It was awarded via the back door without competition or due process to a firm whose turnover is a fraction of the size of the contract, and within days of becoming operational, it has had to be shut down because it is unsafe. Hmmmm what could I possibly be furious about?! Do you have that little regard for taxpayer money that this seems okay to you?

So now we have a Rwanda policy costing hundreds of millions that can process hundreds of migrants and 3 barges costing 1.5 billion that can house 1500 migrants. What great ideas do you and the government have for the other 158,000?

Correct me if my maths is off but if you wanted to house 1500 people for 1.5 billion, you could have just built 1500 houses? Then when the migrants have been processed and possibly sent home if they don't meet asylum threshold, you have 1500 houses and a load of change. When the migrants have been processed, we are left with nothing except a hefty bill. That would be investing in infrastructure though, which is against government policy, far better to throw it at some ill-equipped private firm instead.

I've got no idea if those figures are correct, if they are.. that's £1 million per migrant. Surely there has to be better solutions.

[JamesWales]

If those figures shock you go check out Westminster budgets.

As I've said on here, the right on here apply a 1000% rage filter to anything that's not their own party and a 1% filter to their own corruption and incompetence.

Are you of all people genuinely accusing others on here of applying a 1000% rage filter to people when faced with a political party they don't support?

Jesus Christ 🤣🤣🤣

[Dave Blue]

That is an interesting way to describe putting people on a boat that was subject to further testing before those results had been returned. It isn't much point having safety standards and testing unless you wait to hear the result before acting.

The above might actually be generous, some accounts suggest results came back earlier this week before migrants were ordered to board and before Jenrick's comments about it being 'perfectly safe'.

This governments response to the migration is cock up after cock up and yet here you are yet again to defend them.




Well from what I can see, the contract with CTM is 1.6 billion to house 1500 migrants for 2 years in barges. It was awarded via the back door without competition or due process to a firm whose turnover is a fraction of the size of the contract, and within days of becoming operational, it has had to be shut down because it is unsafe. Hmmmm what could I possibly be furious about?! Do you have that little regard for taxpayer money that this seems okay to you?

So now we have a Rwanda policy costing hundreds of millions that can process hundreds of migrants and 3 barges costing 1.5 billion that can house 1500 migrants. What great ideas do you and the government have for the other 158,000?

Correct me if my maths is off but if you wanted to house 1500 people for 1.5 billion, you could have just built 1500 houses? Then when the migrants have been processed and possibly sent home if they don't meet asylum threshold, you have 1500 houses and a load of change. When the migrants have been processed, we are left with nothing except a hefty bill. That would be investing in infrastructure though, which is against government policy, far better to throw it at some ill-equipped private firm instead.

Not forgetting the ferry company without any boats.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

That was a Vincent Price masterpiece. Wasn't it directed by Roger Corman?

It was a video nasty from 1982 if I remember ?

[Doucas]

Are you of all people genuinely accusing others on here of applying a 1000% rage filter to people when faced with a political party they don't support?

Jesus Christ ������

Yes. Going to give examples of what you're saying? As you back up everything you say apparently.

Please show me how any other party in the UK is as corrupt or as incompetent as the tories. Go on James, tell me, which party do I support?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Pretty certain homelessness exists across the UK, and is most prevalent in London. It certainly exists here, which rather suggests it's more complex than you imply.

But my point remains. Many of you view this whole debacle as a means to make party political points. I rather suspect a genuine desire to solve it will only come with a Labour govt - that's a benefit of them coming in, I agree on that. But I really don't think the situation would improve

You sanctimonious clown

You make political points every time you come on here

Have another week off

[Eric Cartman]

I don’t dispute it’s not a complex issue. But it’s only the right and the right wing press using these people as pawns.

They know Rwanda won’t happen. They know putting 500 people on a boat is a pr stunt. All the while the mail and their ilk tell everyone that the reason the country and its services are falling apart isn’t because of the lack of investment but because of some black people on boats.

Let’s not pretend that if this was solved they’d be looking to get the homeless off the streets

Telling James that is like telling a 6 year old Santa doesn't exist.

[JamesWales]

Yes. Going to give examples of what you're saying? As you back up everything you say apparently.

Please show me how any other party in the UK is as corrupt or as incompetent as the tories. Go on James, tell me, which party do I support?

I have no idea who you support. But I know you seem to hate people who support some parties. Hence your point being ironic

[JamesWales]

You sanctimonious clown

You make political points every time you come on here

Have another week off

No I don't. The only party political points I have made in recent months is

1 / saying I may vote Labour in the next General Election

2 / saying I did vote Labour and Tory in the last council elections.

What I will do is criticise people like you who turn politics into some kind of Rangers/Celtic, Catholic/Protestant battle of good and evil.

[JamesWales]

Telling James that is like telling a 6 year old Santa doesn't exist.

How do I bookmark a post?

[Eric Cartman]

Yes. Going to give examples of what you're saying? As you back up everything you say apparently.

Please show me how any other party in the UK is as corrupt or as incompetent as the tories. Go on James, tell me, which party do I support?

He just hides when people call his bullshit out.

[JamesWales]

He just hides when people call his bullshit out.

What bullshit? Hello btw

[JamesWales]

He just hides when people call his bullshit out.

You are the one making the claim, not me. Can you back it up with statistics and evidence?

[the other bob wilson]

You are the one making the claim, not me. Can you back it up with statistics and evidence?

Let’s just look at this objectively by not mentioning either of the two main parties by name and just look at the raw politics of the last week. We have a Government which enjoys the support of enough of the news media to ensure that if they want a particular week to be assigned to a certain cause, it will be.

This was going to be “small boats” week - forget about the rights and wrongs of the cause, the Government wanted to see it front and centre because they thought it would get the public on their side and embarrass the opposition. We’ve had a blatant attempt to stir things up and get the opposition on the back foot by the party deputy Chairman using the eff word as he spoke in his trademark, blunt “man of the people” terms - the language used was, almost certainly, pre determined and meant to stoke the culture wars, although the strange acknowledgment that the Government had failed on immigration seemed to take things a bit too far.

The Bibby Stockholm barge was supposed to be a major part of this Government “fight back”, but, if the subject wasn’t so serious it would have become a national laughing stock. I missed the story earlier in the week about a drone which was supposed to be watching the barge crashing into the sea at a cost to the Government of hundreds of thousands of pounds, but it was to be expected that we’d see a fight back from opponents and this has often been to contend that the barge was a health risk (especially as it seems that it was housing twice as many people as it was built to do). The Government response to these arguments was to accuse the source of the story as being purely politically motivated- the fears, often expressed by health professionals were dismissed in language which sounded like “we know best”.

Was there any real surprise when today’s news of the potential Legionnaires disease outbreak on the barge surfaced? Whatever the rights and wrong of the matter, having to take everyone off the barge a few days after it was being trumpeted as the solution to a problem is a terrible look and caps a week that has not gone anywhere near as well as intended.

Meanwhile, the official opposition has not had a glove laid on it and we’re now reduced to the aforesaid party deputy Chairman contacting a tame newspaper to ask why the leader of the opposition has had nothing to say about his pre planned “outrageous language”.

it’s been another shambles from a Government that has specialised in them - okay, I’m showing my bias there, but I reckon any objective observer would conclude that the week has not gone anywhere near as well as the Government hoped it would.

[Doucas]

I have no idea who you support. But I know you seem to hate people who support some parties. Hence your point being ironic

Then how can you imply my point is ironic?

I despise Kier Starmer but he isn't in power so I don't bring him up much. The tories are in power and have made such a gigantic cock up of everything so I talk about them.

There's nobody on the forum who missed the point more than you.