+ Visit Cardiff FC for Latest News, Transfer Gossip, Fixtures and Match Results
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 26 to 50 of 58

Thread: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

  1. #26

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Something is either a crime or it isn't. So I would hope any / all crimes committed get dealt with.
    Some on here seem to have a different opinion to what a crime actually is.
    Judge Sludge would lock someone up for having the audacity to not vote Labour or even for just being a conservative MP. Get the liars out and replace them with his preferred set of liars...

    I'd love it if welsh media would scrutinise the Senedd a bit more including AM's / consulting companies they associate with - but that never seems to happen
    Oh definitely, I would love to send anyone who props up the tory machine to the siberian salt mines

    That's means you

    Pack your bags

  2. #27

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Oh definitely, I would love to send anyone who props up the tory machine to the siberian salt mines

    That's means you

    Pack your bags
    Siberian Salt mines .... wasn't that a left wingy / communist / hard left socialist thing that Russian / USSR dictators used to do ?

    And there was me thinking the far left were a nice warm loving sort of person

  3. #28

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Siberian Salt mines .... wasn't that a left wingy / communist / hard left socialist thing that Russian / USSR dictators used to do ?

    And there was me thinking the far left were a nice warm loving sort of person
    I turned myself ......into a monster .....to fight against the monsters of the world

    Earth Crisis

  4. #29

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Something is either a crime or it isn't. So I would hope any / all crimes committed get dealt with.
    Some on here seem to have a different opinion to what a crime actually is.
    Judge Sludge would lock someone up for having the audacity to not vote Labour or even for just being a conservative MP. Get the liars out and replace them with his preferred set of liars...

    I'd love it if welsh media would scrutinise the Senedd a bit more including AM's / consulting companies they associate with - but that never seems to happen
    Of course if the Tories ruled the assembly you would say feck all regarding any possible dirty laundry

    But they don't

    So suck on that

  5. #30

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    That's not a surprise. Most things are beyond you.

    However, to keep things very simple, Labour has decided it will copy Tory tax and spending plans until such a time in the future (distant future..... very distant) when 'the economy' has grown enough to support something more ambitious.

    Starmer appears to be desperate to ensure that 'Nu Labour - Tory Lite' is the reality and the donors are not scared off!
    Their GP plan is beyond me

  6. #31

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Of course if the Tories ruled the assembly you would say feck all regarding any possible dirty laundry

    But they don't

    So suck on that
    You may find this website of interest https://jacothenorth.net/blog/

  7. #32

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    You may find this website of interest https://jacothenorth.net/blog/
    What's it about ?

    I havnt the time or inclination to wade through websites

  8. #33

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I, and millions of others I’d guess, desperately want the current Government out, but sometimes you wonder what’s the point?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-next-election
    Look at the Liz Truss budget. Labour, and their supporters absolutely lapped up the market reaction.

    That was a short term mistake because they are politically tied to it now and ruled themselves out of anything radical, for better or worse.

  9. #34

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Look at the Liz Truss budget. Labour, and their supporters absolutely lapped up the market reaction.

    That was a short term mistake because they are politically tied to it now and ruled themselves out of anything radical, for better or worse.
    Don’t understand what you’re saying.

    This thread has just become an exercise in whataboutery though from Tories who still seem to think there’s a “red menace”, there isn’t, there’s a slightly lighter blue alternative that’s all. They should be pleased by Labour’s timidity - policy is being governed by what a focus group of “swing voters” is telling them - I suppose it’s always been the case over the past thirty years or so, but it’s seldom seemed so obvious.

  10. #35

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Don’t understand what you’re saying.

    This thread has just become an exercise in whataboutery though from Tories who still seem to think there’s a “red menace”, there isn’t, there’s a slightly lighter blue alternative that’s all. They should be pleased by Labour’s timidity - policy is being governed by what a focus group of “swing voters” is telling them - I suppose it’s always been the case over the past thirty years or so, but it’s seldom seemed so obvious.
    What I mean is that anything radical like a wealth tax, perhaps depending on how it was communicated, which if it was done better, would help, but it would still inevitably shake the market and lead to at least short term 'chaos' until things readjusted.

    When I saw Labours reaction to that budget, and how the response was rooted in respect for 'not rocking the market' I sensed that this would be no radical Labour govt, economically at least.

    I dont think people do think there is a red menace. I don't think many will have any legitimate concerns because economic policy would likely carry on just as it has. People may have other concerns perhaps but I don't think economic policy will really be one of them.

    This, in my roundabout way, has kinda been my point for several years on here. The policies the govt have taken are pretty much those every govt has and would take. We are all beholden to the markets unfortunately.

  11. #36

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    What's it about ?

    I havnt the time or inclination to wade through websites
    It's from someone with a detailed inside knowledge of what goes inside Welsh Gov and the various land deals / companies / contracts that get awarded out (usually fact checked via companies house) . It also details things like a consultancy company called Celyn that has various relatives and ex Senedd people working for it. He blogs about once a month - it's worth signing up for - it might open your eyes to what is going on, on your doorstep.

  12. #37

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    It's from someone with a detailed inside knowledge of what goes inside Welsh Gov and the various land deals / companies / contracts that get awarded out (usually fact checked via companies house) . It also details things like a consultancy company called Celyn that has various relatives and ex Senedd people working for it. He blogs about once a month - it's worth signing up for - it might open your eyes to what is going on, on your doorstep.
    His relatives ?

    If his relatives are on the swindle then he should name them not ponce about in a blog

  13. #38

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    It's from someone with a detailed inside knowledge of what goes inside Welsh Gov and the various land deals / companies / contracts that get awarded out (usually fact checked via companies house) . It also details things like a consultancy company called Celyn that has various relatives and ex Senedd people working for it. He blogs about once a month - it's worth signing up for - it might open your eyes to what is going on, on your doorstep.
    Is this chap and his alter ego Dafis of any political persuasion?

    Mmmm

  14. #39

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Is this chap and his alter ego Dafis of any political persuasion?

    Mmmm
    No political persuasion - he just posts about Welsh Gov activity, consultancy firms, commercial deals and then joins the dots together to show people how it's all conveniently interconnected. Celyn is a classic example. I wont name names though

  15. #40

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    No political persuasion - he just posts about Welsh Gov activity, consultancy firms, commercial deals and then joins the dots together to show people how it's all conveniently interconnected. Celyn is a classic example. I wont name names though
    Well if he and you want to be taken seriously get your bollocks out and put them on the table

    A name would be a start so we can work out if he's anti Welsh Labour, anti Welsh government in general or anti everything corrupt in Wales

    Let's just say the Welsh conservatives are not in a position to be throwing too many stones

  16. #41

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well if he and you want to be taken seriously get your bollocks out and put them on the table

    A name would be a start so we can work out if he's anti Welsh Labour, anti Welsh government in general or anti everything corrupt in Wales

    Let's just say the Welsh conservatives are not in a position to be throwing too many stones
    I wouldnt have a clue on his politics - he just seems to like to point out dodgy scenarios from anywhere - from what Ive seen anyway.

  17. #42

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    I wouldnt have a clue on his politics - he just seems to like to point out dodgy scenarios from anywhere - from what Ive seen anyway.
    Just had a quick look at the blog. The guy seems to be a Conservative Treehouse clone. Long on rambling discursive and innuendo, painfully short on anything resembling a smoking gun or indeed any substance. He seems to have built up a small loyal band of commentators and followers of the gifted and talented variety.

    Still you don't need to look very far to hear the same old background music all these guys seem to default to, either out of belief or to snare the gullible. Examples from the last three articles:

    1. In contrast, Trump and Putin are cast as pantomime villains
    2. What it lays out is a political position, a world view. The Globalist agenda. The agenda of the United Nations, the World Economic Form, the European Union; assorted asset managers like BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street; various multi-billionaires like old money Rothschilds and Rockefellers, joined by arrivistes like Bill Gates, George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg.
    3. We face a future of engineered hardship and shortages designed to give more power to the Globalists, and to take away our control over own lives; whether it’s by restricting our movements with 20mph and 15-minute neighbourhoods, climate lockdowns, vaccine passports, or by removing cash so that every penny we spend is recorded, and we can be punished by a CBDC system if we step out of line.

    You need to be careful with this stuff, you might end up down the same rabbit-hole as Wales-Bales!

  18. #43

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    I wouldnt have a clue on his politics - he just seems to like to point out dodgy scenarios from anywhere - from what Ive seen anyway.
    That's disingenuous

    Hes a raving right wing conspiracy nut case

  19. #44

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    That's disingenuous

    Hes a raving right wing conspiracy nut case
    He's blogged against Tories - have a read


    I was originally more interested in what Celyn were up to by the way

  20. #45

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    He's blogged against Tories - have a read


    I was originally more interested in what Celyn were up to by the way
    Honestly I can't be doing trawling through that

    What's the gist

  21. #46

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Honestly I can't be doing trawling through that

    What's the gist
    Well the post was dated June 2017 so I think the gist is desperation. Still nearly every blog this year mentions the World Economic Forum so I guess it was provided as some kind of balance.

  22. #47

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Well the post was dated June 2017 so I think the gist is desperation. Still nearly every blog this year mentions the World Economic Forum so I guess it was provided as some kind of balance.
    Libra , the scales !

  23. #48

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Does seem a little unfair to dismiss what he is saying based on his wider political position, or your perception of it?

    I think the mistake is to only ever take your sources from one area; a diversity of sources and critiques is healthy.

    One of the problems in Wales is the narrow range of civic society, so the Welsh Parliament, Govt, media organisations and big institutions such as the universities, WRU, NHS boards etc are all pretty tight together. It's not healthy really.

    I think more scrutiny of the WG is a good thing, but just don't only rely on bloggers, balance it with other media sources too.

    For what its worth, I've worked a fair amount with the WG before. On most occasions I have come away very unimpressed

  24. #49

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Does seem a little unfair to dismiss what he is saying based on his wider political position, or your perception of it?

    I think the mistake is to only ever take your sources from one area; a diversity of sources and critiques is healthy.

    One of the problems in Wales is the narrow range of civic society, so the Welsh Parliament, Govt, media organisations and big institutions such as the universities, WRU, NHS boards etc are all pretty tight together. It's not healthy really.

    I think more scrutiny of the WG is a good thing, but just don't only rely on bloggers, balance it with other media sources too.

    For what its worth, I've worked a fair amount with the WG before. On most occasions I have come away very unimpressed
    So have I, I still currently work with WG in a small capacity - and nothing has changed in over 10 years. In particular a certain health minister anti private sector now touting their services as a consultant to private sector companies - oh the irony.

    anyway time for bed

  25. #50

    Re: Labour, scared of their own shadows.

    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    He's blogged against Tories - have a read


    I was originally more interested in what Celyn were up to by the way
    I was trying to understand what the issue was with "Celyn Consulting" but try as I might I couldn't find a single reference to such a body in that blog, even when I used the useful search function on the site.

    What is the thing that originally drew you to the site?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •