It's about time the XL Bully was banned.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

A quick search on Youtube will throw up lots of videos (almost all from America) of pitbulls and XL bullys lying on a couch gently snuggled up to the owner's 6-month-old baby, with the message the owner is trying to convey... "See, in the right hands these kinds of dogs are just gentle giants". WRONG!

These kinds of dogs are extremely protective and territorial. They are overly cautious towards strangers, which can often trigger an unexpected attack.

All dogs are capable of biting and attacking, however, breeds like this have the power and stamina to sustain a prolonged attack.

[Divine Wright]

The big question for me, is that given these have a very questionable temperament, and in a split second could snap and kill, why would you possibly be want to take a chance in owning one?

I think that the dogs that killed that baby in Ystrad Mynach (a while back now) were a jack russell and a staffy.

..........these dogs are not born monsters (even though they might look scary to you) who want to rip your throat out. You and others are being a bit soft.

If these dogs are properly socialised from a young age around kids, adults and other dogs, I think they would be as likely to randomly attack someone as any other dog.

Breed them out , fine. Put them down ....you can't just go to someone's house and say ...."ye, I'm gonna have to kill your dog".

You can however fine people if they have a big dog like this that is not wearing a muzzle ...for example.

[superfeathers]

I think that the dogs that killed that baby in Ystrad Mynach (a while back now) were a jack russell and a staffy.

..........these dogs are not born monsters (even though they might look scary to you) who want to rip your throat out. You and others are being a bit soft.

If these dogs are properly socialised from a young age around kids, adults and other dogs, I think they would be as likely to randomly attack someone as any other dog.

Breed them out , fine. Put them down ....you can't just go to someone's house and say ...."ye, I'm gonna have to kill your dog".

You can however fine people if they have a big dog like this that is not wearing a muzzle ...for example.

I agree and did say that I felt they’d need to go further than banning them.

I don’t know why not wanting to see dangerous dogs around is being a bit soft?

What is the reason you’d want one?

By that logic we should be able to have any dangerous animal as long as we have the instruction manual

[North Cardiff Blue]

I think that the dogs that killed that baby in Ystrad Mynach (a while back now) were a jack russell and a staffy.

..........these dogs are not born monsters (even though they might look scary to you) who want to rip your throat out. You and others are being a bit soft.

If these dogs are properly socialised from a young age around kids, adults and other dogs, I think they would be as likely to randomly attack someone as any other dog.

Breed them out , fine. Put them down ....you can't just go to someone's house and say ...."ye, I'm gonna have to kill your dog".

You can however fine people if they have a big dog like this that is not wearing a muzzle ...for example.

What idiot would leave a baby with a Staffie, they can be nasty too in the wrong hands but can't easily go around killing 10 year old kids and old ladies, because it's harder for them to reach your throat. Pictures of the XL's showing going for people's throats and faces they large and heavy.

Jack Russell nip people's ankles they don't rip people's faces off, The comparison is daft, but still never leave a baby with a dog.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

If they can't be banned why aren't muzzles compulsory on those sorts of animal?

[Trigger]

I just don't get why your average person would want a dog that powerful. Everyone's different though I suppose.

If you're having to muzzle it, it probably just shouldn't be around people.

I'm not sure there is definitively something in them that makes them more aggressive, and indeed probably less so than the yappy little ****ers, but unlike them these are huge with solid muscle.

There's a lot of dog owners that shouldn't be looking after a goldfish unfortunately.

[superfeathers]

So a suggestion,
We go back to the dog licence, so that everyone is very clear about who owns a dog.
If that dog then attacks someone, the dog is immediately put to sleep and the owner gets an automatic prison sentence. In the same way that drink driving is an automatic ban.

[Wash DC Blue]

It is all about the owners and training IMO.
I got bitten by a Golden Retriever when I was a kid doing my paper round.

As has been stated, the owner of these type of dogs do tend to fit a certain profile and are probably fine with their dogs to be aggressive.

Something should absolutely be done, but I’d hate to see random dogs just be put down because of the law.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I think that some of these dogs are very dangerous

A bite from a jack Russell is nasty , a bite from one of these muscle bound dogs can be fatal

We have to stop pissing about

We have to get to a situation where a sighting of one of these dogs is rare and leads to vet checks and owner checks

Unless the authorities are certain the dog is safe and the owner is responsible then the dog is destroyed

I couldn't care less about the owners of these dogs if there is any remote chance of a fatal dog attack

You bought the bloody thing , it's aggressive, it's lashing out at people , don't give me that oh it's great with my kids crap , the vets are of the opinion it's a risk so it's going to be put to sleep

It's going to be upsetting but that's the way it is

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So a suggestion,
We go back to the dog licence, so that everyone is very clear about who owns a dog.
If that dog then attacks someone, the dog is immediately put to sleep and the owner gets an automatic prison sentence. In the same way that drink driving is an automatic ban.

That will be great but may be too late in many cases

The breeding , ownership and distribution of dangerous dogs is completely out of control

The feckin kennel club and these owners of inter bred muscle dogs are idiots and if it was one of their kids butchered by these animals they would be crying and screaming on the TV news

[North Cardiff Blue]

I'm doubting myself now????????

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...nment-27691867

The first time ever he's said something logical that I agree with!

Mind it's so obvious even he couldn't say the opposite of this especially as Wales has had more than our share of tragedy.

[chrisp_1927]

I'm inclined to agree that it's more the fault of owners than the dogs. But to read some people on Facebook etc you'd think that it's impossible for any dog to be intrinsically aggressive. Also, as has been mentioned previously, if a big dog like the XL bully wants to go for you then it's a bit more of a problem than if a Yorkshire terrier has decided it really doesn't like you.

There were nearly 7,500 people hospitalised by dog attacks in 20/21 and by all accounts(BBC breakfast this morning) those figures have increased this year.

10 deaths last year from dog attacks. It's too many, and I think it's only right that legislation should be brought in.

Bit of a side point, but certainly pertinent to me. My sister has to use a wheelchair, and it's surprising to see how many otherwise calm dogs get triggered/aggressive when they catch sight of it. Also very worrying how many dog owners seem to find it amusing.

[superfeathers]

Bit of a side point, but certainly pertinent to me. My sister has to use a wheelchair, and it's surprising to see how many otherwise calm dogs get triggered/aggressive when they catch sight of it. Also very worrying how many dog owners seem to find it amusing.

my old dog used to have similar whenever captain tom was on tv. Nothing else caused it but him. And that was an extremely calm (and small) dog. I've always had the opinion that you can't trust any dog completely, but with that in mind why anyone would want to go out of their way to get a dog SO physically strong and known to have tendencies for aggression is beyond me.

[Hilts]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66770328

Horrible dogs they are basically adapted from pit bulls, but made bigger and more powerful who would want one of those in their house with kids?

I am in total agreement almost every death you here is XL Bully's, as close as Caerphilly we've had deaths of a young 10-year-old boy and an 83-year-old lady, that one was crossed with a massive cross cane corso.

Don't worry about DNA if it looks like a pitbull or XL Bully put it down.

https://news.sky.com/story/xl-bully-...r%22%20version.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2408992.html

Drakeford agrees with you.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/mark-drakeford-says-uk-government-27691867

[Hilts]

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...nment-27691867

[North Cardiff Blue]

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...nment-27691867

Yes I said so about five posts above, he just copied Braverman, I've been saying it for years, since that poor kid.

[superfeathers]

Yes I said so about five posts above, he just copied Braverman, I've been saying it for years, since that poor kid.

“ Some of you may remember a 10 year old child died in Caerphilly back in 2021. I attended the Police Federation National Bravery awards in London at the start of the recess, and the team of police officers who attended that absolutely awful incident were nominated for a national bravery award and I was fortunate enough to be able to talk with them about what they had witnessed that night and how they had helped others to deal with it.

You cannot imagine how awful that must have been. We wrote to the UK government then urging them to strengthen protections in law against what we had seen. The Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991 is not devolved. It's in the hands of the UK Government's, I think it should have acted already."

How is that copying braverman?

[ninian opinian]

“ Some of you may remember a 10 year old child died in Caerphilly back in 2021. I attended the Police Federation National Bravery awards in London at the start of the recess, and the team of police officers who attended that absolutely awful incident were nominated for a national bravery award and I was fortunate enough to be able to talk with them about what they had witnessed that night and how they had helped others to deal with it.

You cannot imagine how awful that must have been. We wrote to the UK government then urging them to strengthen protections in law against what we had seen. The Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991 is not devolved. It's in the hands of the UK Government's, I think it should have acted already."

How is that copying braverman?

Jacks mum Lisa spoke in Parliament about these dogs in June so why all of a sudden have the Tory’s spoken out on this matter? I know because there is a general election looming. Action should have been taken a long time ago.

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/ne...ks-parliament/

[Optimistic Nick]

You don't know what that expression means.

Can we ban cars? because they kill more kids than pitbulls do.

How about banning alcohol. Drunk people kill more people than dogs do.

Basically, what I'm saying is that simple-minded people like the OP would probably ban anything or anyone that he finds don't fit in with his particular world-view. He doesn't consider more sensible measures like controlling breeders, ensuring that dog-owners are qualified to look after a dog properly (regardless of breed). Maybe certain dogs should wear muzzles when in public.

Dog ownership and breeding should be reviewed. Not only to avoid dog attacks, but also for the welfare of the animals.

Seems odd that perfectly well adjusted people are unable to adopt a rescue dog on the one hand, and on the other, total bellends are able to get their hands on dogs like these. Ban idiots from owning dogs.

You do realise cars do more than kill people? You should see what water is capable of. What a moronic line of argument.

These dogs are weapons that fire indiscriminately. Idiots are a constant, and I’ve no appetite for eliminating the world of idiots. It’s theirs are much as it is ours. The trick is to limit the damage idiots can do. Obviously banning them owning any sort of dog is sensible, but it doesn’t mean that stopping the supply of aggressive, murderous dogs to anyone pis a bad thing. America has dicked around with a similar thoughts with guns and look where that got them. They are in a mess, and in the early throes of civil war. There is no good reason to own a dog that is trained to bite and hold and at about age 7, has a very strong. tendency to chew on other dogs and children.

Your ideas are not capable of being policed which is why we already have a list of banned breeds. It works. Banning idiots never will. So you can have a world with idiots and guns/bully XLs, or you can have a world with idiots and no guns/bully XLs. A world without idiots is a pipe dream.

[blue_emu]

Obviously the only thing that stops a bad guy with a BULLY XL is a good guy with a BULLY XL.

On a more serious note these dogs are a man made shambles. I actually feel sorry for the BULLY XL being bred into it’s existence.

Also it's called BULLY XL

[North Cardiff Blue]

Jacks mum Lisa spoke in Parliament about these dogs in June so why all of a sudden have the Tory’s spoken out on this matter? I know because there is a general election looming. Action should have been taken a long time ago.

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/ne...ks-parliament/

It is a real tragedy, I think it has gained traction as there have been more incidents, Braverman's interest follows the recently filmed attacks in Birmingham. It's too late really but they should all be acting now.

[North Cardiff Blue]

“ Some of you may remember a 10 year old child died in Caerphilly back in 2021. I attended the Police Federation National Bravery awards in London at the start of the recess, and the team of police officers who attended that absolutely awful incident were nominated for a national bravery award and I was fortunate enough to be able to talk with them about what they had witnessed that night and how they had helped others to deal with it.

You cannot imagine how awful that must have been. We wrote to the UK government then urging them to strengthen protections in law against what we had seen. The Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991 is not devolved. It's in the hands of the UK Government's, I think it should have acted already."

How is that copying braverman?

Because he's just come out and said it to the public, the Tories might have been sending emails to each other for years, Braverman was the first to come out and say it, he's been very vocal about 20mph and done something about it, nothing on dogs until she said it.

Credit where it's due, he has now and that's got to be good!

[North Cardiff Blue]

You do realise cars do more than kill people? You should see what water is capable of. What a moronic line of argument.

These dogs are weapons that fire indiscriminately. Idiots are a constant, and I’ve no appetite for eliminating the world of idiots. It’s theirs are much as it is ours. The trick is to limit the damage idiots can do. Obviously banning them owning any sort of dog is sensible, but it doesn’t mean that stopping the supply of aggressive, murderous dogs to anyone pis a bad thing. America has dicked around with a similar thoughts with guns and look where that got them. They are in a mess, and in the early throes of civil war. There is no good reason to own a dog that is trained to bite and hold and at about age 7, has a very strong. tendency to chew on other dogs and children.

Your ideas are not capable of being policed which is why we already have a list of banned breeds. It works. Banning idiots never will. So you can have a world with idiots and guns/bully XLs, or you can have a world with idiots and no guns/bully XLs. A world without idiots is a pipe dream.

That's the kind of morons we are dealing with.

A dog breeder openly admitted on LBC that he breeds dangerous XL bully pets for drug dealers so he can "put bread on the table" for his family.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-...ell-iain-dale/

LBC presenter Iain Dale was so incensed after speaking to caller David he told him to "go to hell."

David from Hull rang in to LBC last night and said: “I’m a breeder. I’ve bred many dogs over the years including XL bullies.

"I bred many of them dogs. Some of them I’ve bred in the most beautiful environment have gone on to attack people.

"I know for a fact I’ve bred them very well.

"There’s many breeds of dogs where you get terrible owners however you do not see them attacking people.

"These XL bullies are a different breed, trust me."

He said he bred them because he ‘absolutely loves dogs’ but Iain asked him: “Who were you aiming them at -who did you want to sell them to.”

“Drug dealers, i’ll be absolutely honest Iain.”

“You’ve just admitted you bred them to sell to drug dealers - what kind of person does that make you?” Iain asks.

“Who’s going to put bread on the table for my family. I’ve got six kids,” he said.

Iain replied: “Oh, go to hell David” and ended the call.

The astonishing call to LBC came on the same day an 11-year-old victim of a dog attack in Birmingham told of her terrifying ordeal.

Ana Paun, was attacked by the American bully XL and Staffordshire bull terrier crossbreed puppy in Bordesley Green on Saturday.

She suffered serious injuries to her arm and shoulder, while two other people were also injured after the dog broke free from its collar twice.

Speaking to Sky News on Monday, Ana said: "I got terrified and he jumped on the arm and he bit me.

"I was screaming and I couldn't do anything, the dog kept on staying on my arm."

The schoolgirl told BBC News: "The dog was staring at me and I got scared, so I started to run. And then I never ran that far, I ran like five seconds. So the dog grabbed my hand and he started moving me about.

"Someone grabbed him off my hand, and after he let go of my arm he went on my shoulder and he bit my shoulder as well.

"I was feeling really panicked and I was scared, terrified, I had a lot of emotions. The owner should be more responsible of the dog, because the owner was not doing anything."

Ana's mother said her daughter was taken to hospital in an ambulance and needed around eight stitches.

Speaking at the family home, Monica Paun, 34, told the PA news agency: "She was with her big sister at the shop and the dog attacked.

"She came shouting 'mum'. I am still in shock."

Ana spent a night in hospital after the attack and has been given antibiotics, her mother added.

Ana is now at home recovering after the incident, footage of which was circulated on social media after being filmed by an witness.

No arrests have been made, but West Midlands Police said on Monday that the force will speak to the dog's owner "in due course" as they are in hospital.

"This was an alarming and shocking incident on a busy road in high temperatures and members of the public showed immense courage in tackling such a ferocious dog," a force spokesman said.

The incident prompted Home Secretary Suella Braverman to seek "urgent advice" on whether the breed should be banned.

Downing Street said the Government takes the issue of American bully XL dogs "extremely seriously".

"The footage we saw over the weekend was shocking. I know that the police are investigating that specific incident," the Prime Minister's official spokesman said.

"We take this issue extremely seriously. We have commissioned urgent advice on what steps we can take on dangerous dogs. I think the Home Secretary set that out yesterday. And beyond that immediate work, we do have a number of measures to protect people under the Dangerous Dogs Act."

Speaking during a visit to an east London school, Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer told reporters: "I think there's a strong case for banning this particular breed.

"Anybody who saw footage of what happened is really shocked at what had happened and I think nobody would say that's perfectly acceptable and nothing needs to be done.

"I want to see what the Government is going to put forward. I hope we can do this speedily and constructively."

Adding the bully XL to the banned list is the responsibility of Environment Secretary Therese Coffey's department where, PA understands, there are concerns over the feasibility of the move.

The dog, which is developed from the American pit bull terrier, is not a recognised as a specific breed by the Kennel Club.

It could be hard to define and some fear a ban could inadvertently outlaw a range of other dogs.

Emma Whitfield, whose 10-year-old son Jack Lis, was fatally attacked by a bully XL named Beast in Caerphilly, South Wales, two years ago, criticised the delay in making the dogs illegal.

Writing on X, formerly known as Twitter, Ms Whitfield said: "Where were you when my son was killed? Where were you when other innocent people were killed?

"Where were you when I was at Parliament asking for change? Nowhere.

"If you're going to do something, please do it. Stop pussyfooting around the 'breed neutral' bull crap and do something."

[North Cardiff Blue]

All the rage seems to be small versions Pocket Bully XL, I saw bloke with about four of these in Cardiff Bay, he said he was a breeder, all with the ears cropped. This was a good few years ago when I didn't know what they were.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/3005235476371813/

Hi I’ve adopted a pocket bully female 15months old she’s lovely with my kids me and my wife but can’t stand anyone else my wife can’t walk her as she goes for everyone when she does nearly bit an old guys hand today is there any reason for this?

My 12 week old boy has started growling and barking and nipping when people come down to his level and try stroking him. Not sure if it's a protective thing or if he genuinely feels nervous about strangers approaching him but he's so young that I never expect from such a young age �� he's loving and affectionate with myself and partner but isnt keen on strangers lol xxx

She like my rescue mine was dumped with her ears cut off she accepted my pack ie dogs n partner but anyone else or dog approaches her she gets protective n nerves my best advice is if you love her embrace a muzzle I know they look bad but the person will look worse it's the difference between life n death for our babies n breeds I own 3 muzzles embrace get one's with smiles on


Hey everyone. So my girl is 5 months and I'm having to put a muzzle on her when my hubby isn't around as she will attack my two other dogs (pom and boston terrier). The pom and boston have always been so gentle and sweet but since she's been attacking them, they're so nervous now and bark at her when she comes close so I use the muzzle so that they feel safe and so she doesn't go for them. We have a trainer helping us but I'm worried they'll never get on, it's been going on for around a 6 weeks now. She doesn't like me stroking the boys at all so I guess she goes for them for that reason. Has anyone else gone through the same kind of situation? I want to take her out to socialize with other dogs but I'm afraid, any advice please? We go for walks every morning and night and she's great on a lead, but when we see a dog, I just cross the road and turn the other way as I worry she will try to attack them. When she's with hubby, she's good as gold, no muzzle needed at all! The trainer says it's because she loves me more and doesn't want other dogs near me, but I need them to get along otherwise I can't have all three living together sadly.

[Trigger]

Latest comment on the FB group is "pet insurance? I'm struggling get any."

Some of the soppy bastard's on that "my little girl, my beautiful boy. FFS. At least they are probably decent owners.

I liked the one that recommended smiley face muzzles. Hannibal lecter would have looked so much friendlier.