Reply With QuoteSo did Moore and The Boss clash over the future vision and direction of the club ......or was it money ?
If its correct that press release is pretty damning and it appears Moore is a greedy man
23 k a week ?
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Shut up and move on man:
Following the Q&A I conducted last week, speculation has continued in the local and national media which is first and foremost incorrect but also damaging to our club. This speculation has now gone too far with some people putting out completely misleading information. I now wish to put the record straight and hope this will draw a line beneath Darren’s departure and we can look forwards, to the appointment of a new manager and the new season.
Initially I said I would help Darren silently. I offered not to talk and Darren agreed. Since I have been here, I have always looked to protect my people, unless I have no choice. If this speculation was just local then fine, I know people will come to me, but when it goes wider from some who do not understand the situation then that is different and I have to act.
Now, over a week later, the speculation continues. People who do not have the correct information are saying things completely wrong in the media. I am not worried about myself but when this speculation damages our club, I have to explain the truth and if Darren wishes to say something publicly then I would welcome that.
So I decided to speak to Darren last Sunday night, 25th June about this situation. I said I had helped him a lot but you must understand I need to tell the whole story – you could speak yourself or we could talk together but I did not expect that to happen so I am releasing this statement today to end the speculation.
After the end of the season, we had achieved promotion and as far as I was concerned, there was no issue. We completed the retained list on Thursday 1 June and began discussing the recruitment of new players, the targets identified for the Championship, and I asked Darren to summarise and present. We arranged to talk the following week in order to prepare the final information and begin coordinating the process.
Darren went on holiday and we spoke again during his holiday. We talked more about the recruitment of players, then Darren mentioned the contracts of his coaching team, which expired at the end of June. I asked Darren to send me his proposals for them because I was happy to talk.
He then mentioned his own contract which I said was automatically active following our promotion. But I said I was happy to discuss a new contract and asked Darren to send me the details and his proposals so I can study them.
After a few days, he sent me his proposals for his contract and I asked Darren to rethink and said, are you sure? I asked him if this proposal was instigated by his agent and Darren told me it was a guideline. I asked Darren if he wanted an answer yes or no or can we talk again? Darren said it was a guideline and he would think about the details again.
We arranged to meet face to face in my office on Wednesday 14 June. We talked some more about players and Darren asked about the contracts of his coaching staff. I said we needed Darren to resolve his own situation first because whilever this was an issue, we could not talk further about his staff.
I said we need a conclusion before Thursday as we could not take too long when we needed to begin the recruitment process. Even if we could not agree, this is the football business, but we would still maintain friendly relations with each other, but we need to resolve this situation.
I told Darren I was happy for him to stay, he achieved promotion and deserved a chance in the Championship. I said I was happy to increase his salary and add more bonuses into the contract, with the highest bonus if we reached the Premier League. But the proposal Darren presented was significantly in excess of his contract and I said I cannot offer a minimum of four times your current salary on a three-year contract, I have to be realistic and protect the club.
I advised Darren to rethink very carefully, do you really think this is a good idea? I offered my full support during all his time at our club and I wanted us to continue and succeed together. I asked him to think and let me know your decision by Thursday because we are not getting anywhere here other than back to the starting point. Darren said he would think about the details again.
We met again on Thursday 15 June and Darren told me that he could not accept. I said okay, that is your decision and I don’t think it will be difficult for you to get another job. I said I would help Darren by announcing his departure via mutual consent because that will help for the future.
I was fully aware the fans would believe this is my issue but for Darren, there would be only good things because he achieved promotion. But I was happy to take that on my shoulders to help. I said I would not talk too much, only if I was left with no choice.
I told Darren we had to announce his departure on the Thursday, the same day, which would allow me to begin the recruitment of a new manager. He asked for Monday 19th June but I was not keen on that date because the players would be coming back to pre-season training very soon and I needed to resolve. Finally though, I agreed to his request to announce on the Monday.
In the meantime, we still had good relations, we had dinner together on Saturday 17th June and personally in my heart, I was hoping he would have a change of heart but unfortunately nothing changed.
We spoke about the players as if everything was normal and Darren asked me if I would keep his coaching team at the club. But I said that would be difficult because if Darren took another role, he would need his team around him and obviously then we would have a problem at our club.
I said there was a chance I would retain Adriano Basso and I would speak to the team but when I recruited a new manager he will wish to bring in his own staff. Normally I like at least one member of staff to work with the new team to help the transition process.
We continued to talk about general matters over dinner, about the team, the players, the Championship, but the proposal remained the same and we agreed a parting of the ways would be the best way forward, which we announced on Monday 19th June.
So that is the story over why Darren left our club, I wish him nothing but the best and I hope he is appointed to a new position soon. Now these details have been made clear, I hope we can all move on and look forward to the next era for Sheffield Wednesday.
The recruitment process for the new manager is well underway and I wish to get back to normal as soon as possible. The appointment will not be rushed, it must be the right person and the right fit for our club and the process continues.
So did Moore and The Boss clash over the future vision and direction of the club ......or was it money ?
If its correct that press release is pretty damning and it appears Moore is a greedy man
23 k a week ?
Seems he thinks that he can sack popular, promotion winning managers a couple of weeks after the event and keep the fans onside - he’d actually have to be as good as he probably believes he is to get away that sort of thing.
If that version of events is correct then I think they had no choice but to part company.
That account of the process following promotion , if correct, would suggest the owner wasn't prepared to pay Moore a huge wage ?Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
That's sort of fair enough isn't it ?
I agree Mo
What would you do if someone demanded you quadruple their wages? Nobody is indispensable.
Not believe the club owner for a start.
On the face of it, it does look like Moore wanted too much more and that the owner didn't really think he was that good.
The OP was the first message issued back when Moore was sacked, the most recent one just shows the owner didnt really think Moore was good enough for the championship and he had been trying to stick his oar into team selection. He even tried to claim the credit for the comeback against Peterborough.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport...moore-27708429
I hope they go down.
Apologies, I thought' I'd posted the new rant in the OP.The OP was the first message issued back when Moore was sacked, the most recent one just shows the owner didnt really think Moore was good enough for the championship and he had been trying to stick his oar into team selection. He even tried to claim the credit for the comeback against Peterborough.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport...moore-27708429
I hope they go down.
Here's the new statement that you linked to (and the one I meant to post)
Dejphon Chansiri
"Prior to interviews Darren recently gave to the media, I was happy to draw a line beneath his departure from our club. I had no intention of saying anything further, I had no wish to hurt him as my previous manager. But Darren chose to come out and say some things that he knows were totally untrue so I must put the record straight.
"I have chosen this time around the international break so not to detract from the team and the football, which is always the priority. I feel it is the correct time to right some wrongs and hopefully for the last time.
"I understand anyone who is behind Darren or did not wish to see him leave will not like the fact I am speaking out but I wish to reiterate the truth and say please understand that I have no reason to lie, I am the owner and the chairman and the responsibility for our club is with me.
"I would like to say that the person who knows Darren the best in this situation is me. But he just said what the fans expect him to say. Whether that is true or not is another story and people will believe what they wish to believe, I cannot help that, but I can only say the truth. There will be people who will criticise me, I understand that, but I ask for everyone to take a step back and try to be as neutral as possible.
"Darren said to the media that his leaving was not about money but a ‘vision’ that was ‘out of line’. He did not elaborate on that vision, which I believe was designed for fans to think negatively to myself based on what was supposedly said in our meetings. It is not true and I can say categorically it was about money, not football.
"You will recall in my initial statement that I asked him to summarise and prepare to finalise the player list before we would start the recruitment process in the transfer window. Initially, there was no discussion about Darren’s salary because there was an automatic contract trigger with a Championship salary upon promotion. He knows how much I supported him as I always support my manager. At that point, we did not finalise any targets or players, we had general talks before he went on holiday and while he was away. I asked him to complete the list and then he brought up the issue of contracts, firstly about his team and then after we talked, his own contract, which is why I can truly state that recruitment was not the reason for his departure. I said it was important that any issues – and primarily his contract as manager – were resolved before we entered into the final details of player recruitment. So we did not speak of any ‘vision’ or budgets. I have said many times regarding all my managers, I do not give a set budget. It is up to the manager to convince me that we should recruit any individual player, irrespective of cost.
"In his interview, Darren said I would not speak to his agent, which is not true. Darren’s new contract was in place at the Championship rate we agreed following promotion but he asked for more money for his team and himself, and this was not an issue for me, as I outlined before.
"At the beginning when Darren joined Sheffield Wednesday from Doncaster, the agent negotiated his contract with my people, this is normal, but an agreement could not be reached so Darren asked to talk to me directly to solve the issue and then he negotiated with me so we could finish. I said in the future you can talk directly to me which is easier than asking the agent to talk, which he agreed.
"So when we were relegated, Darren came to me about his contract, there was an automatic decrease in salary and he wanted an increase, which he received after we negotiated. There was no contact with his agent.
"After Wembley, and during his holiday, Darren mentioned to me about new contracts for his team and we talked about his own situation despite a new contract already being in place. So I was surprised when he said in his interview that he wanted to talk about his own contract through his agent as he did not mention that at all. If he did want me to speak with his agent, he should have instructed his agent to make contact, and that did not happen at any point.
"I asked Darren to send me what he wanted for himself and his team so I could study and after a few days he sent to me what he said was a guideline. I was surprised and I asked him to think about that and gave him the time to do that because the figures for himself were so high. If it was a guideline, I assumed he would negotiate the same as before. The proposal for his team was higher than normal but I did not see that as a problem. It was up to him to negotiate for himself as he did when we were relegated. Perhaps he thought his value was so high after promotion that I would agree to the figures he was asking but I must put the club first at all times.
"Darren returned from his holiday and we had a face-to-face meeting. I asked him again to think very carefully and we will talk some more. We had another meeting the next day because I needed a decision but he confirmed and stood by those figures. If he wanted to negotiate, he must say so but he did not, so I had to let him go.
"Despite the figures being so high – which to be clear were significantly above the average Championship manager salary – I did not have a problem with that from a financial point of view. I was happy to give him a chance because he achieved promotion, but I did not believe that level of salary was appropriate for Darren as my manager. However, I offered to increase his salary despite the new contract in place and doubled the bonus element of the contract, based on placings in the table.
"On top of that, I said show me you can succeed in the Championship then we can talk again about further increases. I was prepared to be loyal to him even though I did not know how long he could last. I had been warning him for two years if he does not make changes, he would not progress the team. I offered as much support as possible in every sense for the team even though that was his role and responsibility. In the end, looking back, he agreed that what I warned about results and performances was correct. I respected his decisions as manager even if I did not always agree with them but it is my duty as chairman to try and help the best I can. After the first leg at Peterborough, I tried my best as chairman to make everybody believe we could do it. I believe we have a better squad than Peterborough but we just did not perform in the first game. If we had an average team then okay, but we have better players. I spoke to Darren, Tom Bates, Barry Bannan…I said you must believe we can do it because there was a feeling we could not turn it around. We made it to Wembley, we won the game, so Darren deserved to manage our club in the Championship and Darren and the team rightly take the credit for that success.
"Darren said he believed he should earn more than the highest paid player but this is not necessarily correct in football. The proposal was a minimum of around £1.2m per year on a three-year contract. He also wanted an increased amount if we signed a player on a higher salary than himself and a 10% increase year on year, then a 100% increase if we achieved promotion to the Premier League. I said for those kind of figures I could have many choices open to me. Why would I agree to that, especially when I considered making a change three times during the season with the performances and the way the team was going. While I was happy with the points, I was not happy with the performances, which is why I warned him for some time that if we carried on this way, we would not get automatic promotion.
"But I agreed to increase his salary, I tried to give him a chance because he achieved promotion. So with all this considered it was really surprising and disappointing to see him come out in the media and say things that were not true. The figures he presented were not guidelines because he did not wish to negotiate. To be 100% clear, it was not about a vision, it was not about targets, it was because I would not agree to the level of salary he proposed and I did not have complete confidence in him to manage the team in the Championship. So in the end, I had to release him. I asked him if he would prefer to say he was sacked or to leave by mutual consent because my opinion was mutual consent for his future career, even if we can no longer work together we can still be friends. We agreed mutual consent to protect him. I still wanted to see him prosper and I would not give this level of detail if the true story was told, which has not been the case.
"There is this and other things I cannot accept. For example, Darren was the one who wanted to release Ben Heneghan which was his decision as the manager. I believed we should let Ben recover from his injury and then why not give him a chance? But I respected his decision. But Darren told the players that he wanted Ben to stay but the chairman wanted him to leave which is not true and unfair. If that were true, Ben would not have had the chance to fully recover at our club and train with the squad and play for the Under-21s as he continues his recovery.
"After Darren did his interviews, I sent him a message and said I will answer what you have said because even though I tried to help you, you have not told the truth and this is something I cannot accept. I said we can do this together then everyone will know the truth, so we do not need to do this separately. I told him that I must answer what he said in the media so this statement will come as no surprise to him.
"I understand these details will not be liked by some people and not what some will want to hear but I can only speak the truth. That is something that will never change and whatever action I take will always be in the best interests of Sheffield Wednesday first."
It was worth you posting the first one for those of us who hadn't seen it.
Bloody hell, I thought War & Peace was a long read
All this about another team. Put it in the alternative page.
It’s football related. It’s about a team in the same division as us. What’s the problem?
If we were only allowed to post anything Cardiff City related on this page, then there would be a few wrist slashings going on 😁
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