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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    it isn't a blanket policy here either. I've just driven pretty much the entire length of Cardiff and maybe the first 50 -100 metres was at 20 mph
    You must have gone down the A470, which isn't 20?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    You must have gone down the A470, which isn't 20?
    yeah I can either go down the A470 which isn't 20 or go M4-a4232 which is longer but often quicker and also not 20

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I watched him maintaining that inflation is a tax yesterday, so that’s another one he’s increased.
    Nice spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Well given that it's a balanced picture and the majority of economic metrics put us above our European peers, I'd say most sensible people would avoid such hyperbolic statements!
    As John McEnroe would say: "you cannot be serious!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    As John McEnroe would say: "you cannot be serious!"
    Facts

    "" Two statements this week from the FT that might pass for apologies. Economics Editor, Chris Giles, said on radio 4's More or Less that the new GDP data meant that he and others must now stop claiming that the UK was the G7's worst performing economy. Last Thursday, Peter Foster, the Europe editor,, argued for an end to litigating old arguments about Brexit that are getting us nowhere'.
    Whoever can he mean??""

    https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/

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    Dont think anything will happen. Councillor Caro Wild is behind all the cycle lane / traffic calming plans for CCC.
    He was the one that shut Castle street under the excuse of covid. There was a local vote - something the council tried to hide. Anyway - a vote was had - the council lost = so tythey had to re open the road (total cost over 3 million).
    Wild then tried to get Cardiff university to do a study to prove his point, that was rumbled whne it was discovered they are both good mates... and the study was so biased it was hard to take it seriously.

    Meanwhile Councilor Wild has spent 1 million putting in a bus lane on Cathedral road - all that to save in his own words - 30 seconds journey time - whilst creating a massive traffic issue. All vehicles in a jam with engines running etc.

    Caro Wild, Hugh Thomas (council leader),Brennan and Drakeford are all good mates and signed up to 20. So the chances of anything happening re getting rid of the 20mph is zero

    Thomas - Oxford educated (music degree I believe) and Wild - is from Leeds and grew up on a commune - and the pair of them are in control of what happens in Cardiff.

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    The bus lanes in Cardiff are a God send. The Cwmbran/Cardiff bus is always on time.
    Don't criticise the Councillors,put your head above the para-pit and stand for election.

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    For me entering my 8th decade, driving at 30 at night now seems much faster than it used to especially with all the parked cars where I live in Inner London affecting my judgement. It is very different in the day time when 30 sometimes appears pedestrian to me.

    20-25 at night seems more comfortable for me in built-up areas than 30. The 20 mph zones we have locally are probably sensible after dark, though not in the daytime. Maybe, there should be variable speed limits according to the time of day and lighting conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird View Post
    For me entering my 8th decade, driving at 30 at night now seems much faster than it used to especially with all the parked cars where I live in Inner London affecting my judgement. It is very different in the day time when 30 sometimes appears pedestrian to me.

    20-25 at night seems more comfortable for me in built-up areas than 30. The 20 mph zones we have locally are probably sensible after dark, though not in the daytime. Maybe, there should be variable speed limits according to the time of day and lighting conditions?
    No just reduce your own speed at night, it's interesting that even people who are almost 80 too slow and driving on the busiest roads in London. It's just a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    No just reduce your own speed at night, it's interesting that even people who are almost 80 too slow and driving on the busiest roads in London. It's just a joke.
    do you want to try that again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird View Post
    For me entering my 8th decade, driving at 30 at night now seems much faster than it used to especially with all the parked cars where I live in Inner London affecting my judgement. It is very different in the day time when 30 sometimes appears pedestrian to me.

    20-25 at night seems more comfortable for me in built-up areas than 30. The 20 mph zones we have locally are probably sensible after dark, though not in the daytime. Maybe, there should be variable speed limits according to the time of day and lighting conditions?
    You’re the only person I’ve ever heard of suggesting slower speeds at the quieter times of day

  13. #13

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    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ition-27927202

    A new poll shows there is huge opposition to the new 20mph speed limit in Wales.

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    I don't know if this is directly related to the reduced speed limit, but there is now a lot more queuing traffic in Cathays and Roath then there was a few months ago. It's really noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    I don't know if this is directly related to the reduced speed limit, but there is now a lot more queuing traffic in Cathays and Roath then there was a few months ago. It's really noticeable.
    a few months ago when the students were all back for the summer?

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    Anyone still bothered about this seriously needs to get a life.

  17. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    Anyone still bothered about this seriously needs to get a life.
    I think you're right. The number of people paying any attention to it on the road is negligible.

    There are a few issues, though. It seems impossible to do 40 or 50 on roads with those speed limits. There's always someone happy to do 30/35. 20mph doesn't mean 15mph. That is REALLY annoying.

    I still get annoyed at the overall inconsistency of our speed limits.

  18. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    Anyone still bothered about this seriously needs to get a life.
    Your opinion. Not one shared by many people in Wales though, except possibly old ‘stick his head in the sand and hope it goes away’ Drakeford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Your opinion. Not one shared by many people in Wales though, except possibly old ‘stick his head in the sand and hope it goes away’ Drakeford.
    It seems that hardly anyone is driving around at 20 on the bigger-clearer roads, most people are definitely below 30 though, so anywhere between 23-28mph, which is good news really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    It seems that hardly anyone is driving around at 20 on the bigger-clearer roads, most people are definitely below 30 though, so anywhere between 23-28mph, which is good news really.
    That's the impression I get as well and I’m doing the same - when I’m trying to stick to the 20 mph limit, I’m always doing about 25 when I look at the speedometer after a minute or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    That's the impression I get as well and I’m doing the same - when I’m trying to stick to the 20 mph limit, I’m always doing about 25 when I look at the speedometer after a minute or so.
    Yup, and i'd say that is what this is all about. The Welsh Government just wanted people to slow down. When it was 30mph there would be people going 35, and a small percentage going 40 or more. This over engineered 20mph speed limit will stop those people over time. One thing i do think is that 30 is too fast, 20 is difficult on long straight runs, 25 is about right, and in my opinion that's a win.

  22. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    a few months ago when the students were all back for the summer?
    No, before then. Obviously it's quieter in the summer. I walk to and from work, but it seems like there are suddenly a lot more cars on the roads.

  23. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Yup, and i'd say that is what this is all about. The Welsh Government just wanted people to slow down. When it was 30mph there would be people going 35, and a small percentage going 40 or more. This over engineered 20mph speed limit will stop those people over time. One thing i do think is that 30 is too fast, 20 is difficult on long straight runs, 25 is about right, and in my opinion that's a win.
    Well said, I think this was the plan all round and makes a lot of sense. If it can emasculate the boy racers it will be a profound success.

  24. #24

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    Yesterday I drove up to Treorchy from Ponty. The whole route makes a total mockery of the whole 20mph thing.

    Leave Ponty and go through Hopkinstown, a main road in a busy urban area. The road is 30mph, then 40mph through Trehafod. Once through Porth, the road is still 30mph through Dinas, rising to 40mph, then 60mph. I carried on and turned left before the Ivor Hael and went in on the back road through Pentre. Pentre was the only time I met a 20mph road until I got to the junction for Treorchy/Cwmparc.

  25. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Yesterday I drove up to Treorchy from Ponty. The whole route makes a total mockery of the whole 20mph thing.

    Leave Ponty and go through Hopkinstown, a main road in a busy urban area. The road is 30mph, then 40mph through Trehafod. Once through Porth, the road is still 30mph through Dinas, rising to 40mph, then 60mph. I carried on and turned left before the Ivor Hael and went in on the back road through Pentre. Pentre was the only time I met a 20mph road until I got to the junction for Treorchy/Cwmparc.
    so your complaint is you think more of it should be 20?

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