I hadn't read that but yes spot on, that could really hurt Labour, and it's what Dripy deserves.Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
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I hadn't read that but yes spot on, that could really hurt Labour, and it's what Dripy deserves.
That is going to happen, there will be a political backlash, I'm not saying it will change the landscape because Wales will always vote labour in but some will lose seats and majorities will reduce, and maybe Plaid will be the man benefactor, they should definitely say they will change it back in their manifesto.
Policiticians can't win sometimes.
The 20mph was in the labour manifesto. Clearly.
Welsh Labour won. They proposed it in the senedd. It was debated. It was passed.
Politicians in actually doing what they said they would shocker.
Labour voters didn't read the manifesto obviously, I've heard loads now saying they will never vote for them again because of this.
Its hardly causing a nightmare.
Don't know what the fuss is.
I've been looking again at the Welsh Government's own spreadsheets on accident data from 2021 and 2022. Feel free to download them from https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalog...ent-Level-Data
2022 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2021 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 3.
2020 - lockdown
2019 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2018 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
I haven't researched them all, but one accident in 2022 was in the Gower where a car drove into a petrol station where, I'm pretty sure, a reduction in speed wouldn't have made any difference.
that data seems completely at odds with this data I've found , also from the Welsh government...
which is correct?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...UMTc296MCFc8U1
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I don't want that lot in , I hope labour themselves row back
Since 2018 there have been 14 accidents on 30mph speed limit roads that have resulted in fatalities or serious injury. Oddly, 5 of those were in 2020 when we were in Covid lockdown. 2 of those 14 accidents occured during working hours, Mon-Fri between 9-5. 9 of the 14 accidents occured after 9pm and before 6pm, when it is dark.
I asked yesterday who would prosper from this policy. It’s not PC as they support it. It won’t be the Tories because they are toxic. It will be a non story in 2 weeks thank God.
I hope so but I think it's a daft policy and just gives the Tories a foot in the door
Rare I say this to you on anything remotely political but, correct Sludge, doesn't try and defend the indefensible, if it's labour being absolutely stupid for the sake of it call them out for it.
It'll hit 300,000 today. Likely becoming something more than just about 20mph stuff now, a bit like the Ulez in London. A general pushback against WG politicians now it seems.
Or just the same people, and gammons/15 minute city conspiracists/people from outside Wales, adding multiple entries?
And is ULEZ much if a thing now the right wing media and tories aren't pushing it due to a by-election?
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Hold a referendum on ending devolution in Wales
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The establishment of the Welsh Senedd, as an additional layer of government in Wales, was intended to empower the Welsh people and provide them with more control over their own affairs.
We believe the recent controversial implementation of a blanket 20mph speed limit across restricted roads in Wales has shown that the current Welsh Government are not representing the democratic rights of the Welsh people, by ignoring calls for a cease once the estimated economic impact came to light.
the economic impact estimation is extremely flimsy. it considers the case over 30 years for a start - who knows what our driving behaviours will be like in 30 years time?
anyone here that was working in 1993, did you expect you'd see working from home en mass and zoom calls etc?
not wearing a tie in the office seemed outlandishly fanciful only a few years ago
Just sign it we need Drippy gone.
Boris has gone, Sturgeon has gone, he needs to, and you can't trust any of the rest of them in the Sennedd either if they voted that through.
I know you don't know the difference between cars and trains.
I feel it might be too much of a stretch then to try and explain the difference between Mark Drakeford as a single politician and the senedd/welsh assembly as an entity.
But it's the equivalent of me saying I want the UK government to be eradicated because Boris Johnson.
I don't know if you're on a wind up and your posts are a massive wooosh for me and if that's the case, hats off to you
Whilst I'm broadly in favour of the new limit, the process of implementation has been arse over tit. Rather than an imposition and a late amendment to allow councils to apply for exemptions, it could easily have been the reverse, which I think people would be much more accepting of.
If they given councils powers to install 20 limits in certain areas, subject to local consultation, there would be much more engagement and overall acceptance, whilst maintaining more 30 limits on more arterial routes.
They haven't though, which could be damaging to them at the ballot box.
Maybe though, it will encourage more people to read manifestos before choosing who to vote for.
Yes of course no one is against 20mph in small residential streets or outside schools, 20 is way too fast sometimes, but going down thornhill road it's pathetic and completely unnecessary. They deserve a massive backlash or where does it end, 20mph on motorways, you can't travel more than five miles again?
nobody is proposing 20mph on motorways you mentalist
But why not the argument is simply that fewer people die in accidents at 20mph.
It makes no sense to change road speeds for that reason, yet they've just done it?
If they get away with this it will be let's think of the next stupidest thing we can and implement it, we can do what we want.
the road speeds theyve implemented give a lot of positives for very little negative impact.
journey times are hardly affected at all.
changing the motorways to 20mph would have a massive negative impact, other than through the Bryn glas tunnels where it is a slight improvement
yes if 20mph was implemented on the m4 there would be less cars crashing into the trains
stop the lockdowns
ULEZ will disappear in a few years time as it will become a loss making exercise. Fewer and fewer vehicles will be subject to the charge as older vehicles are gradually replaced with those which are exempt.
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