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    Re: 20mph online petition

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    How dare those 5 Welsh billionaires have free prescriptions (assuming they all live here). Don't they realise the damage they're causing ��
    Jesus the straw clutches are out in force, that was an extreme example but anyone but the poorest shouldn't have anything for free because it leads to wastage, that's elementary economics, if they gave people free electricity, how much do you think people's bills would be.

    And yes people will continue to take drugs forever if they are free even if they don't think they are appropriate anymore because they are free, gluten-free bread pasta, etc., and all the nonsense. If that was stopped it would save a fortune and that could be used for the NHS or to improve services.

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    Re: 20mph online petition

    https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/...2022to2027.pdf

    Welsh Government National Transport Delivery Plan

    Drakeford Out ( senior that is)

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    Just realised he doesn't drive, so it no longer impacts him, that's why he is in the minority and doesn't care about people with busy lives who are being affected by stupid ideas, like don't drive five miles, don't drive faster than twenty.

    It is great the petition is growing it shows people have had enough, and there is much more chance of backtracking, we are seeing the first signs already, and support for it is non-existent now.
    He was a paramedic, so he would have witnessed the aftermath of what it was like for a person who had been hit by a vehicle ar 30 mph. You think it's a bad idea, fair enough. Then why don't you set up a protest group or something similar instead of repeating yourself on here. Get out there, the fresh air will do you some good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    He was a paramedic, so he would have witnessed the aftermath of what it was like for a person who had been hit by a vehicle ar 30 mph. You think it's a bad idea, fair enough. Then why don't you set up a protest group or something similar instead of repeating yourself on here. Get out there, the fresh air will do you some good.
    I will, and it will, just have to watch while the overtaking of the cars when I walk down the hill

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Yes you do, you have to have a Welsh address/postcode otherwise you cant vote. This is capable of being checked and the system filters out anyone who has already voted or is not in a Welsh area.
    I thought you could sign the petition from outside Wales. Your signature would be included in the total but not in the constituency map that breaks down the figures. ART says that 96% of signatories are from within Wales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 79blue View Post
    So you are saying that because I no longer drive I’m not allowed to have my opinion, despite driving for more than 40 years. I did not ask to have MND, but don’t worry I will not be alive this time next year to argue with you, so you win.
    His argument is flawed, unless he discounts a certain percentage of people who have signed the petition who aren't drivers. That would knock a few thousand off the total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepster View Post
    It is his way
    pathetic
    It is pathetic, and sad. I have no issues with people who are against the 20 mph speed limit in built up areas, more power to them, even though I don't agree with them. But to sit on a football message board day after day regurgitating the same bollocks is pretty ****ing desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    20 in 4th? No chance…..you like talking nonsense right?
    Quote Originally Posted by 79blue View Post
    Stop being pedantic.

    If the number reaches 3 million then yes the country is against it. But the population of Wales is approximately 3.2 million, with 300,000 petitioning against it. That gives a total of
    9.4% of the population against it. Not exactly a landslide.

    It is not whether I am right or wrong, it is a question of whether it better for the citizens of this country or not. Time will show which side is right, but I would rather be on the side that tries to improve the country than the side that says that nothing can be done.
    I’m not sure what proportion of the 3.2 Million are adults or even drivers
    But if it’s around 1.5 Million, then 20% of the electorate have signed a petition to raise their concerns about the idea or the way it’s being introduced.

    Whatever way you slice it and dice it, to me it demonstrates that WAG has either totally underestimated the feelings of the electorate, or haven’t done enough work to sell the idea properly
    and that just comes across as arrogance on their part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olderblue View Post
    I’m not sure what proportion of the 3.2 Million are adults or even drivers
    But if it’s around 1.5 Million, then 20% of the electorate have signed a petition to raise their concerns about the idea or the way it’s being introduced.

    Whatever way you slice it and dice it, to me it demonstrates that WAG has either totally underestimated the feelings of the electorate, or haven’t done enough work to sell the idea properly
    and that just comes across as arrogance on their part.
    And this is a well reasoned post, no points scoring

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    Re: 20mph online petition

    Quote Originally Posted by olderblue View Post
    I’m not sure what proportion of the 3.2 Million are adults or even drivers
    But if it’s around 1.5 Million, then 20% of the electorate have signed a petition to raise their concerns about the idea or the way it’s being introduced.

    Whatever way you slice it and dice it, to me it demonstrates that WAG has either totally underestimated the feelings of the electorate, or haven’t done enough work to sell the idea properly
    and that just comes across as arrogance on their part.
    That is a good point, in the December 2021 election there was 2,307877 people registered to vote, of those only 47% voted, that would bring the total number who voted to approx 1,800000, leaving the percentage of the people who signed the petition to around 17% and increasing every minute, just checked it now stands at over 306000

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    I don't think the petition will change Mark Drakefords mind. What could though, is if a few MS's start raising concerns, if their constituents pressurise them to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    I don't think the petition will change Mark Drakefords mind. What could though, is if a few MS's start raising concerns, if their constituents pressurise them to do so.
    give it a few weeks and everyone will have gotten used to it and moved on with their lives.

    the idiots who are currently out there driving at 20 in a 30 zone or higher will have also worked out what's what by then too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    give it a few weeks and everyone will have gotten used to it and moved on with their lives.

    the idiots who are currently out there driving at 20 in a 30 zone or higher will have also worked out what's what by then too
    I disagree. People will continue to ignore it. I haven't come across a driver who has stuck to 20mph today. People will stop bothering and will carry on as they have done as it is impossible to police.

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    Re: 20mph online petition

    Whatever people say about petitions, there is no doubt that this is a huge one, by far the largest in the senedd's history and one that if applied across the UK would amount to some 6m signatories. That one trying to reverse Brexit the day after the vote got to 4m from recollection.

    It's pretty significant and Labour would be foolish to ignore it.

    I think we'll see some rowing back of it all, the return to 30 on several key urban roads and people will largely ignore it going forward, so all sides will take something from it

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    Not sure if this hs already been posted.
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...limit-27480524

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandywarhol View Post
    Not sure if this hs already been posted.
    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...limit-27480524
    I'm not anti-Tory by any means (I voted Tory last time) but I cannot stand Andrew RT

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    I'm not anti-Tory by any means (I voted Tory last time) but I cannot stand Andrew RT
    Have you ever met the man ?

    I did once - doing some work for a company assigned to Welsh Gov and I have to say - he was great, very funny, wanted to know what we did - how he could help. The company was in the food / drinks market and he had a quick half with us at the end of the session.

    I'd happily have a couple of pints with him socially, something you couldn't do with Mark Drakeford (he doesnt drink) and apparently doesnt drive either - ironic given his 20mph law

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipster View Post
    Have you ever met the man ?

    I did once - doing some work for a company assigned to Welsh Gov and I have to say - he was great, very funny, wanted to know what we did - how he could help. The company was in the food / drinks market and he had a quick half with us at the end of the session.

    I'd happily have a couple of pints with him socially, something you couldn't do with Mark Drakeford (he doesnt drink) and apparently doesnt drive either - ironic given his 20mph law
    Prince a
    Andew and Nigel Farage would also be great guys to drink with as well! This is just another distraction trick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    A lot of the time on my route around Cardiff above 20 was a treat anyway.

    What I most dislike is the mess they made of the roll out. It's like they chose which roads to keep 30 based on throwing darts at a map.

    That or they still haven't taken down most of the 30 signs.

    Shambles.
    Quite a few 30 signs still up around Penylan and Roath on roads that I'm pretty sure are supposed to be 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Surely he can’t not be on a wind up?

    That would mean he believes what he posts - and no one can be that (dense, or obsessed, or incontinent ) .
    You should know about the last 3

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    Re: 20mph online petition

    Petition at 322,207, someone has a democratic voice and its people . Think we should petition or the removal of Drakeford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Petition at 322,207, someone has a democratic voice and its people . Think we should petition or the removal of Drakeford.
    Would certainly sew up the next WG election for Labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Petition at 322,207, someone has a democratic voice and its people . Think we should petition or the removal of Drakeford.
    Why don't you just vote for someone else next assembly elections? You don't remove governments by petition ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilkers View Post
    Why don't you just vote for someone else next assembly elections? You don't remove governments by petition ffs.
    He always does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Would certainly sew up the next WG election for Labour.
    You have heard he’s going haven’t you?

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