Reply With QuoteThe cost would be staggeringOriginally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
Care services
Utilities
All too late
The best we can hope for is improvement
The horse has bolted
All down to the Tories
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What an odd comment. I actually support renationalising utilities and rail. To pretend the nationalised industries were 'fabulous' is lunacy. They were cumbersome, bureaucratic monstrosities. Whatever model is used for any renationalised industries shouldn't follow what we had in the 70s. I genuinely thought your comment was sarcasm, hence the smilies.
The cost would be staggering
Care services
Utilities
All too late
The best we can hope for is improvement
The horse has bolted
All down to the Tories
The whole point is having to do it in the first place
It's idiotic
No it doesnt - a private company wins a contract to perform a service for x years. If at the end of the tenure it's deemed to be providing a bad service - then they dont win the next contract term.
It keeps them on their toes and gives the client (us) the ability to change provider and let someone else have a go.
Whereas - if it someone like British Rail - you cant get rid of them, you cant get them to improve ro change you are just stuck with them.
If you want to specifically about rail - then take a look at Japan and the way they operate
Without the typos
No it doesnt - a private company wins a contract to perform a service for x years. If at the end of the tenure it's deemed to be providing a bad service - then they dont win the next contract term.
It keeps them on their toes and gives the client (us) the ability to change provider and let someone else have a go.
Whereas - if it's someone like British Rail and a Govt owned industry etc - you cant get rid of them, you cant get them to improve or change you are just stuck with them.
If you want to specifically talk about rail - then take a look at Japan and the way they operate. JR (JapanRail) is run like a private company even though it's Govt owned. It is required to make a profit etc.
Other train companies are also allowed to operate train services on the same track and are 100% private companies. When I was there - the system worked perfectly.
It makes me laugh that you actually think that anything nationalised can actually be successful. Successive labour governments ran all the nationalised industries into the ground, costing us, the British taxpayer billions of pounds in the process. And none of them ever actually worked properly either. If you think the current situation is bad, stand back and admire the mess in Manchester in a few years time. PS. Anyone who votes for Labour in Wales after the mess Drakeford has made must be bonkers.
No point - like putting lipstick on a pig, Sludge and Co will always vote Labour regardless as he "hates" anyone that dares to vote for anyone else.
I remember the 70's and the mess created by Labour being controlled by the unions as well as then thinking they could run a business. Dont get me wrong the Tories have plenty of feck ups as well. Both Lab and Con have wrecked the economy.
Drakeford is a living example of what happens when you put the wrong person in charge. After 26 years of Labour being in charge in Wales - you would think we would learn a lesson. But dyed in the wool socialists never admit that. They just want more of the same. Like a perpetual clone Rhodri / Carwyn / Mark and so the cycle continues
Carwyn was a superb leader
Drakeford is hopeless and needs to retire
Well plenty of people think the shit storm of privatisation is even worse
Labour will trounce you tory filth at the election in Wales
Shows how bad the Tories are
You are not very bright
The big energy providers and big phone providers and big two or three train operators are private sector monopolies in all but name
It's a total feck up and stacks of money is being made on shitty service
It's all very well having Japan as an example but the infrastructure is properly funded and the state will step in if it goes tits up
How is the state going to step in now the care service is privatised ?
How's that been working out ?
If you try to defend that I will phone the men in white coats for you and the other mad clown on this thread
That's going to go up after a few years , they all do
Privatisation of the bus services .......reduced services , bus fares rising twice that of wages
The Tories said fares would reduce under competition and services would improve
Water privatisation , bollocks
Energy , bollocks
Rail , bollocks
The care system ......absolute disaster
It hasn't worked
Tories can argue the toss but their electoral strategists know the public want decent public services and that isn't going to be through privatisation
Improve efficiency , improve management are good policies but at the core there needs to be infrastructure and core funding
The private sector ain't interested in that , it just wants quick profit
Greedy unions? They did the work. They deserved their fair share. Transport and utilities don't have to be nationalized just run as not-for-profit companies.
Thatcher created the greed.
Are they on strike yet?
Or all on the sick?
Or working from home (tricky on the bus)
I bet the staff breathed a sigh of relief as they can take a rest.
Absolutely
It’s where the profits are going that’s the problem. Filling some mega rich shareholder’s drinks cabinet in the Cayman Islands rather than being ploughed back in to the industry for improvement.
Is that Manchester bus, what time is my bus coming?
Thursday, Trevors working from home
Real meeting of minds going on in here
That doesn't apply to the bus industry.
The issue with privatisation for me is pretty simple. Despite record levels of taxation, the government don't appear to be responsible for anything anymore.
The private sector grift cycle seems to be
Win contract
Raise real terms prices
Lower real terms wages
Tell government you can't afford to deliver service
Receive subsidy
Cut back service anyway
It mostly applies to rail and having said that, I have actually been using the buses a fair bit since the price cap was introduced, good value because of the subsidy.
If you have a private sector bus network and two major parties who believe that is the only way then if the service is shit you have no recourse other than to not use it. The issue is that not everybody has that option, so you are left with the most vulnerable using a shit network, and because of the above, the buses won't be profitable and the public will end up subsidising anyway to keep routes running.
What we actually need is less people thinking they need a car to survive, more people using public transport = better public transport.
The Carl Sergeant incident was the end of Jones's reputation.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...inst-him-wales
Jones couldnt even debate Farrage to a winning
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...ights-10718381
Welsh Water is not for profit. How would you say that's going?
The egg has to come first though, a good service will be used.
You can't stick a decent train or underground service now though it's too late. The buses will be no good as they can't move fast enough to cover the routes and loops they need to do to be regular. Living along the existing train tracks is the best chance people will have, so Cortyton to town and Caerphilly line in, maybe Danescourt and Radyr other than that you've had it.
What we will end up with is sh!t roads, speed, parking, ulez charges etc as Wales make car travel as miserable as possible and a sh!t transport service to match.
It's hardly an odd comment; many people have shares in private companies, that's how the system works. It's highly likely these same people will baulk at renationalisation as it would be detrimental to their interests.
You obviously have a different memory of the nationalised industries to me. It would be great to get our former assets back in the hands of the people rather than greedy hedge fund managers
People investing in nationalised industries - like UK pension company's ? - good luck with that vote winner
Personally I like the Welsh Water modus operandi - not for profit as the core business then they contract out other services to other companies.
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