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  1. #1

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    What makes you think that won't be part of the role?
    The statement you posted didn't mention it

  2. #2

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    The statement you posted didn't mention it
    Firstly, it does if you consider Palestinians to be victims of Hamas, which they also are.

    But not everything they do will be in an initial press release.

    They definitely can't help with humanitarian aid from the mid Atlantic or Devonport dockyard or anywhere else.

    The vast majority of Royal Navy operations are not warfare based. I wouldnt jump to conclusions about what they will do there.

  3. #3

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Firstly, it does if you consider Palestinians to be victims of Hamas, which they also are.

    But not everything they do will be in an initial press release.

    They definitely can't help with humanitarian aid from the mid Atlantic or Devonport dockyard or anywhere else.

    The vast majority of Royal Navy operations are not warfare based. I wouldnt jump to conclusions about what they will do there.
    What part of they are there to support Israel that you can't grasp? There is no mention of the UK helping the defenceless people being slaughtered

  4. #4

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    military support would "prevent further escalation".
    In other words we are here to stop any other country helping Palestine

  5. #5

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    The statement you posted didn't mention it
    Do you seriously believe that statement from the Navy ?

    It's all cloak and dagger nonsense

    I am amazed we havnt learnt from the past but off we go again jumping in to get involved

  6. #6

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    military support would "prevent further escalation".
    In other words we are here to stop any other country helping Palestine
    One of the most bizarre takes on 'in other words' I've ever heard.

  7. #7

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Do you seriously believe that statement from the Navy ?

    It's all cloak and dagger nonsense

    I am amazed we havnt learnt from the past but off we go again jumping in to get involved
    The Royal Navy are very often pretty close to the scene in these situations. As stated, there a vast array of functions they serve and it's right they have a presence nearby.

    This idea they will be using force to stop any aid going to Palestine or using military force against them is simply not true.

  8. #8

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    That is true - as it is for most of the EU and other 'western' states and their main allies.

    However, it is noticeable that Antony Blinken, the US Secretary of State - whilst giving 100% support to Israel and denouncing Hamas - has given a strong message about not committing war crimes and targeting civilians (directly or indirectly): ' How Israel defends itself matters....'.

    His joint press conference with Netanyahu had a different tone from the cheerleading we saw from Cleverly and Van de Leyden.

    It may not make any difference to the latest Palestinian victims - but it is a slightly more balanced message than what we saw from our own Foreign Secretary. His comment on running for cover when an air raid siren went off - on the day that over 200 children were amongst the latest victims of Israeli attacks in Gaza - was sickening.
    Blinken spoke well and Netanyahu looked boiling with rage , he's a complete hothead

    Every member of hamas is a dead man ?

  9. #9

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The Royal Navy are very often pretty close to the scene in these situations. As stated, there a vast array of functions they serve and it's right they have a presence nearby.

    This idea they will be using force to stop any aid going to Palestine or using military force against them is simply not true.
    You might think it's right I think we should be well out of the theatre of conflict

    Getting involved on the side of Israel is not going to end well

    It's not playing soldiers and jelly and custard

  10. #10

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    One of the most bizarre takes on 'in other words' I've ever heard.
    If a country wanted to help Palestine how would they do it without escalating the situation?

  11. #11

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    I haven't read much about it but we must not forget that someone is supplying terrorists with weapons without which they would be limited to throwing stones, spears or petrol bombs. They are as guilty as the terrorists themselves. Despite all the security and blockades Israel seems incapable of cutting the supply routes for weapons!

  12. #12

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    The idea that the Israeli army and Israeli defence and security forces are some of the best in the world has taken a hit and hamas will be more than happy with that

  13. #13

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by + the native hipster View Post
    maybe you should post any information you can find on the relationship between israel and saudi
    I'll send my army of investigators out to delve deeper into this scenario

  14. #14

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I'll send my army of investigators out to delve deeper into this scenario
    let's start with the dictionary definition of facist

  15. #15

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    I'll send my army of investigators out to delve deeper into this scenario
    thats why socialism dosen't work , your army got paid regardless of the fact they did no actual work

  16. #16

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    According to Humans Right Watch white phosphorus has been used in Gaza.

    If this is true this is mortifying.

    https://twitter.com/hrw/status/17125...ut3goG1wA&s=19

    1 million civilians also apparently told to leave Northern gaza within 24 hours.

    We are about to witness a massacre.

  17. #17

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by + the native hipster View Post
    let's start with the dictionary definition of facist
    If you were able to read there's plenty of books out there which could "lern" you!

  18. #18

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    If you were able to read there's plenty of books out there which could "lern" you!
    thank god i have braille so i can feel your insightful posts , is your post about celebrating the death of jews like celtic do still up i cant feel it ? facist?

  19. #19

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by + the native hipster View Post
    thats why socialism dosen't work , your army got paid regardless of the fact they did no actual work
    Socialism ALWAYS works!!! My army donate their services free of charge.

  20. #20

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    I think it has something to do with giving indirect military assistance to a country that has 400,000 troops and nearly $4 billion of backing every year, against a mainly impoverished, soon-to-be starving population crammed into ghettos for the last 70 years. I think I'd rather tax-payers' money spend more judiciously..
    The Royal Navy isn't there giving military assistance to the Gaza response though is it. It's not providing weapons. It's there, rightly, because this is where conflict is and there is an enormous amount of work that can and could be done to help. Aside from anything else, making Israelcm feel totally isolated is highly unlikely to make them respond more rationally.

    I think people have the wrong idea about what that navy does and what it's doing here.

  21. #21

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    And 1 million gaza people given 24 hours to move before land offensive by Israel

    Who is in need of help here ?
    And yet some people are quibbling because Wembley won't be lit up blue and white in the colours of the Israeli flag and yet others are saying flying the Palestinian flag in support of the massacre of innocents should be outlawed! FFS!

  22. #22

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The Royal Navy isn't there giving military assistance to the Gaza response though is it. It's not providing weapons. It's there, rightly, because this is where conflict is and there is an enormous amount of work that can and could be done to help. Aside from anything else, making Israelcm feel totally isolated is highly unlikely to make them respond more rationally.

    I think people have the wrong idea about what that navy does and what it's doing here.
    I think you may be right on this one. If the role of the Navy is to aid possible evacuation and attempt to prevent escalation of the conflict then that's justified.

    Where I think the US and USA are entirely wrong is giving "shoulder to shoulder" support for the systematic massacre of innocents. The two countries have blood on their hands in my opinion and of course they aren't the only ones.

  23. #23

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The Royal Navy isn't there giving military assistance to the Gaza response though is it. It's not providing weapons. It's there, rightly, because this is where conflict is and there is an enormous amount of work that can and could be done to help. Aside from anything else, making Israelcm feel totally isolated is highly unlikely to make them respond more rationally.

    I think people have the wrong idea about what that navy does and what it's doing here.
    Rightly ?

    That's your view

    Who is it helping ?

    The Palestinians?

    The Israelis are not going to listen to anybody but themselves

  24. #24

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Rightly ?

    That's your view

    Who is it helping ?

    The Palestinians?

    The Israelis are not going to listen to anybody but themselves
    They are probably there to discourage any other countries in joining in this conflict and coming to the aid of the Palestinians. So their mere presence there is helping Israel

  25. #25

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    So why did Israel bomb Damascus and Aleppo airports? that doesn't seem to have had much mention

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