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Thread: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

  1. #201

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    This feels like Iraq and Afghanistan all over again. British politicians and media are falling over themselves to justify war crimes e.g cutting off water, energy, food and killing civilians.

    As a species we are incapable of learning.
    So much for evolution then.

  2. #202

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post

    Jesus wept
    I'm sure he still does.

  3. #203

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    UK to deploy royal naval ships to support Israel. No mention of sending aid to the Poor people who are being bombed to oblivion.

  4. #204

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    So much for evolution then.
    Correction: we have evolved in the sense that we have devised even more efficient ways of killing folk en masse than ever before in human history. What a noble achievement.

  5. #205

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    UK to deploy royal naval ships to support Israel. No mention of sending aid to the Poor people who are being bombed to oblivion.
    As sure as night follows day the UK sleepwalks into the fire on the coat tails of America

    We have already stirred up bad feelings by going full square behind Israel

    Now we are helping them out in a military sense

    Turn out the lights

  6. #206

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    UK to deploy royal naval ships to support Israel. No mention of sending aid to the Poor people who are being bombed to oblivion.
    It won't be possible to deliver aid without the Israeli government granting it.

  7. #207

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Pretty standard for navy's to reposition ships closer to events. It's the sensible thing to do. Be it military assistance, diplomacy, aid, support, morale, logistics, evacuations etc.

    They are doing their job.

  8. #208

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    UK to deploy royal naval ships to support Israel. No mention of sending aid to the Poor people who are being bombed to oblivion.
    Absolutely appalling, we should be ashamed.

  9. #209

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Absolutely appalling, we should be ashamed.
    Nonsense. What is your problem with the following?

    "track threats to regional stability such as the transfer of weapons to terrorist groups".

    "military support would "prevent further escalation".

    "deliver practical support to Israel and partners in the region, and offer deterrence and assurance"

    "Our military and diplomatic teams across the region will also support international partners to re-establish security and ensure humanitarian aid reaches the thousands of innocent victims of this barbaric attack from Hamas terrorists,"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67095846

  10. #210

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Nonsense. What is your problem with the following?

    "track threats to regional stability such as the transfer of weapons to terrorist groups".

    "military support would "prevent further escalation".

    "deliver practical support to Israel and partners in the region, and offer deterrence and assurance"

    "Our military and diplomatic teams across the region will also support international partners to re-establish security and ensure humanitarian aid reaches the thousands of innocent victims of this barbaric attack from Hamas terrorists,"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67095846
    Why don't our military ensure humanitarian aid reach thousands of innocent victims in Palestine?

  11. #211

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Nonsense. What is your problem with the following?

    "track threats to regional stability such as the transfer of weapons to terrorist groups".

    "military support would "prevent further escalation".

    "deliver practical support to Israel and partners in the region, and offer deterrence and assurance"

    "Our military and diplomatic teams across the region will also support international partners to re-establish security and ensure humanitarian aid reaches the thousands of innocent victims of this barbaric attack from Hamas terrorists,"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67095846
    We appear to be best mates with Israel

    There is being appalled by these terrible attacks and opening ourselves up to criticism and accusations of bias

    The UN say there is already a humanitarian crisis in Palestine

    It could be argued we are opening ourselves up to criticism and possibly the target for extremists

  12. #212

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    Why don't our military ensure humanitarian aid reach thousands of innocent victims in Palestine?
    What makes you think that won't be part of the role?

  13. #213

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    Why don't our military ensure humanitarian aid reach thousands of innocent victims in Palestine?
    If the UK government were sending forces out there as a joint peacekeeping force then that's neutral

    As it is we appear to be propping up that nutter Netanyahu

  14. #214

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    What makes you think that won't be part of the role?
    The statement you posted didn't mention it

  15. #215

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    The statement you posted didn't mention it
    Firstly, it does if you consider Palestinians to be victims of Hamas, which they also are.

    But not everything they do will be in an initial press release.

    They definitely can't help with humanitarian aid from the mid Atlantic or Devonport dockyard or anywhere else.

    The vast majority of Royal Navy operations are not warfare based. I wouldnt jump to conclusions about what they will do there.

  16. #216

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Firstly, it does if you consider Palestinians to be victims of Hamas, which they also are.

    But not everything they do will be in an initial press release.

    They definitely can't help with humanitarian aid from the mid Atlantic or Devonport dockyard or anywhere else.

    The vast majority of Royal Navy operations are not warfare based. I wouldnt jump to conclusions about what they will do there.
    What part of they are there to support Israel that you can't grasp? There is no mention of the UK helping the defenceless people being slaughtered

  17. #217

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    You obviously can't read very well can you? Clearly that's why you understand zilch about fascism.

    Far from celebrating any massacre I have openly condemned the kidnap and slaughter of innocents on both sides. I deplore the initial Hamas action as much as the retaliatory Israeli ones. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
    i can't find your celtic celebrate a masscare and we should all do the same post please re-post , my facist post is up re-post with the dictionary definition

  18. #218

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    military support would "prevent further escalation".
    In other words we are here to stop any other country helping Palestine

  19. #219

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    The statement you posted didn't mention it
    Do you seriously believe that statement from the Navy ?

    It's all cloak and dagger nonsense

    I am amazed we havnt learnt from the past but off we go again jumping in to get involved

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    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    As sure as night follows day the UK sleepwalks into the fire on the coat tails of America

    We have already stirred up bad feelings by going full square behind Israel

    Now we are helping them out in a military sense

    Turn out the lights

    That is true - as it is for most of the EU and other 'western' states and their main allies.

    However, it is noticeable that Antony Blinken, the US Secretary of State - whilst giving 100% support to Israel and denouncing Hamas - has given a strong message about not committing war crimes and targeting civilians (directly or indirectly): ' How Israel defends itself matters....'.

    His joint press conference with Netanyahu had a different tone from the cheerleading we saw from Cleverly and Van de Leyden.

    It may not make any difference to the latest Palestinian victims - but it is a slightly more balanced message than what we saw from our own Foreign Secretary. His comment on running for cover when an air raid siren went off - on the day that over 200 children were amongst the latest victims of Israeli attacks in Gaza - was sickening.

  21. #221

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfresco View Post
    military support would "prevent further escalation".
    In other words we are here to stop any other country helping Palestine
    One of the most bizarre takes on 'in other words' I've ever heard.

  22. #222

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Do you seriously believe that statement from the Navy ?

    It's all cloak and dagger nonsense

    I am amazed we havnt learnt from the past but off we go again jumping in to get involved
    The Royal Navy are very often pretty close to the scene in these situations. As stated, there a vast array of functions they serve and it's right they have a presence nearby.

    This idea they will be using force to stop any aid going to Palestine or using military force against them is simply not true.

  23. #223

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    More Sarcasm? Maybe we should have an emoji?
    maybe you should post any information you can find on the relationship between israel and saudi

  24. #224

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    That is true - as it is for most of the EU and other 'western' states and their main allies.

    However, it is noticeable that Antony Blinken, the US Secretary of State - whilst giving 100% support to Israel and denouncing Hamas - has given a strong message about not committing war crimes and targeting civilians (directly or indirectly): ' How Israel defends itself matters....'.

    His joint press conference with Netanyahu had a different tone from the cheerleading we saw from Cleverly and Van de Leyden.

    It may not make any difference to the latest Palestinian victims - but it is a slightly more balanced message than what we saw from our own Foreign Secretary. His comment on running for cover when an air raid siren went off - on the day that over 200 children were amongst the latest victims of Israeli attacks in Gaza - was sickening.
    Blinken spoke well and Netanyahu looked boiling with rage , he's a complete hothead

    Every member of hamas is a dead man ?

  25. #225

    Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The Royal Navy are very often pretty close to the scene in these situations. As stated, there a vast array of functions they serve and it's right they have a presence nearby.

    This idea they will be using force to stop any aid going to Palestine or using military force against them is simply not true.
    You might think it's right I think we should be well out of the theatre of conflict

    Getting involved on the side of Israel is not going to end well

    It's not playing soldiers and jelly and custard

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