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Yeah I can see that, we all know about Colwill not doing enough off the ball, I stand by he should have been loaned out to a league two team and got regular games until Jan, seemed obvious he wasn’t going to get enough game time.
Robinson has been a shock though, thought he would be a key player for us, can get goals and good link up play and works hard but he’s looked way off it when brought on in games.
As ever its always the flair players who get criticised, but the more defensive/lesser players never get criticised for their lack of creativity
Surely there's a balance to be found between attack and defence? We know Wintle won't provide the creative force that Robinson or Colwill will, that puts a lot of pressure on the wingers to provide and also puts a lot of pressure on the defence if we can't get a goal/play in the opponent's half
league 2 my arse, he was winning games and playing enough at this level 2 years ago as a teenager, he's been running games for Wales u21 and we had offers from league one clubs in the summer which we turned downOriginally Posted by 2b2bdoo
I didn’t say he was league two level, just that I would loan him to a league two club. We to often loan players to lower leagues who hardly play. He could have gone to Reading, would he have been a key player starting regularly? I’m not so sure.
I would have rather he went to league two, be a key player in a team, play everygame, improve and come back in January a new player. Just a personal opinion.
Time waits for no one
Robinson clearly isn't match fit but when he is he needs to be up front not poncing about out wide
Colwill no idea except he's 22 ?
Why have successive city managers not played him when fit ?
The truth is out there
Nevermind 2b2bdoo you haven’t got a scooby doo.
League 2 is not the place for Colwill it is a tough old league. League 1 for his development maybe but league 2 absolutely not. Newport Cewnty, like a lot of L2 clubs, just totally bypass midfield.
Exactly. City manager after City manager with this attacking players needing to be as good without the ball as with the ball attitude it’s so ****ing tedious.
Sound like the type of manager who would have Whitts on the bench.
Talks about being a man down without the ball were an attacker down with the ****ing ball with Wintle at the tip of midfield.
Oh that’s so funny with the name, hope it didn’t take you to long to come up with it tho.
He certainly needs toughening up, certainly not Newport, away from the area, the comfort and the hype.
Some but not all play like that, obviously it would have to be a certain club. League 1 even better as long as he gets regular games.
Exactly. Attacking players get dropped for not being good at defending. Defensive players don't get dropped for not being good at attacking.
It’s not his work rate that annoys me. It’s his stupid mistakes from unnecessary risks that gets me
Hate to say it but he needs to play
When we brought on Sawyers the other day was a wtf moment for me
Sounds fair enough to me. I like this guy.
Exactly. You could accept the comments about Colwill if Sawyers hadn't been picked ahead of him. Sawyers didn't break into a sweat in the Blackburn debacle
Colwill is 21
Yea don't get the fuss. It's pretty basic stuff to expect work rate at this level, he isn't saying they have to defend like maldini.
I like Robinson in particular but neither are anywhere near effective enough going forward where you can forgive them not doing the basics off the ball.
Bulut’s bull is wearing thin. I don’t want to watch a team with no interest in winning at home against a team on their arse.
Colwill has to work harder but equally we shouldn't be playing 3 DM's at home to Rotherham!
As has been mentioned earlier, Bulut's logic does not make sense here. If he is saying that, essentially, he wants eleven defenders when we don't have the ball, shouldn't it follow that he wants ten attackers (forget about the keeper!) when we do have it?
Based on what's been seen of him so far, Jamilu Collins doesn't contribute much in an attacking sense, Goutas and McGuinness only contribute from an attacking viewpoint from set pieces and Siopis (who's scored just twice in over three hundred career appearances) does not offer much going forward. The notion that any one of these (especially Collins as the only specialist left back we have currently) be left out because they don't score enough goals is ludicrous and yet, using Bulut's argument regarding Robinson and Colwill, isn't that what he should be doing?
Suspect he knows there’s little point in laying down the challenge for Wintle as he’s performing at his best. Maybe he thinks he can get from from Robbo and Colwill.
Besides, the journalists just keep asking Bulut the same thing every week so what else is he meant to say.
Can see Robbo leaving though
Bob, you're talking about out and out Defenders. And making the case that what Bulut is asking from Robinson and Colwill are the same things as a dedicated defender. He isn't. What he's saying is that when we are out of possession, Colwill and Robinson need to show more urgency in the third they play in to win the ball back, he's not asking them to slot in at fullback, double up as central defenders, just work there area's in order to disrupt the attack at source. I'm not that keen on him calling players out, but in my opinion he's spot on with his observations.
If we sent him to Wrexham he would be a film star they would probably make a whole episode for the documentary, it would triple his value and probably raise his profile and confidence.
Great player, but if the Manager won't play him because of his work rate, it would be better to go out on loan and improve, he should have a word with Tanner, he was criticised and came back strong and kept the shirt!
Colwill is definitely good enough but does he have the right attitude to fight back and impress the Manager?
I don't agree, why is it okay for one type of player (defenders) to contribute little as attackers, but not okay for attacking players to contribute little as defenders? It's illogical.
As I said, I'm not naive enough to think that you drop players like Collins, Goutas, McGuinness and Sipios because they don't offer a great deal in an attacking or creative sense, but where is the consistency of thought to a process which does not treat the ten outfield players in the same way?
You use the term "dedicated defender" - the one I'm thinking of here is "out and out defender", why is acceptable to have out and out defenders, but, seemingly, not okay to have out and out attackers?
I agree that the two players concerned could do more defensively, but, watching us at Middlesbrough and then against Watford, it seems to me that Bulut is in danger of cutting off his nose to spite his face - is playing someone like Wintle in such an attacking role giving us more overall than what we lose by having the, apparently, defensively suspect Robinson or Colwill there?
I mentioned before on here that most managers appear to be okay with a 7/4 defensive/attacking make up to their team, Bulut wants an 8/3 split.
Exactly he got Tanner to do it, it's not hard just takes a bit more fitness and work rate.
Remember when people criticised Lee Tomlin and then when a manage actually started him and gave him a chance he dragged us to the playoffs pretty much single handedly.
Taarabt would be benched under Bulut, as would probably Bothroyd, maybe even Whittingham.
At some point you just have to let your #10s and strikers be attacking players and let them do what they do best. Robinson to me has always seemed like a hard worker, he's had loads of injuries recently and if he isn't playing regularly of course he won't look match fit.
Colwill is a player who could potentially win us games by himself, we've seen him score for Wales, vs Liverpool, winner vs QPR and Forest. 15 minutes here or there isn't good enough for a player like him. Give him 10 games to see what he can do, if after that Bulut still isn't happy send him out on loan.
If I were Colwill I'd try and get away for the sake of my career, it looks like he just won't be given a chance here and we will regret it.
I also think that Tanner hasn't improved much, that's not a criticism, I think he was always this good but he was just never given a chance. I posted about a year ago on here and Twitter saying the same thing about Tanner as I'm saying about Colwill now.
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