Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
I read the BMJ article (not posted in this thread). This is the gist of it.

Veena Raleigh, a senior fellow at the health think tank the King’s Fund, told The BMJ that there had been large numbers of deaths related to flu and covid-19 in December 2022 and January this year, which was influencing the figures.5 “The 2023 figures to date do not compare well with 2019. Mortality to date is about 5.5% higher than it was for the same period in 2019,” she said.

“With 2023 to date, we haven’t had the bounce back that we might have expected once the worst of the pandemic was over. In the first three quarters of 2023 the mortality rate was higher than in many years in the pre-pandemic decade. If we have a good coming winter things could get back to 2019 levels relatively quickly, but it’s unpredictable.

“We need to remember that covid is still here and infections currently are picking up. Hopefully, we won’t see the sort of deaths we’ve seen before, but, that said, fewer people are getting vaccinated against covid.”


So, excess deaths are stubbornly high but a goodly proportion are due to covid, flu and weakening vaccination rates.

Is that the point you were making?
No not at all, especially when the spike is in the people who don’t need vaccinations. Could be anything, what do you think it could be affecting the health of people post lockdown - taking your conscious biased opinions out of it?