James Cleverly - Home Secretary...

[Jordi Culé]

...is off to a flyer in his bid to 'out twaat' Priti Patel for being the worst Home Secretary.

His comments regarding child poverty and its causes in Stockton are a refreshing change to the usual political waffle politicians usually come up with.

I'm sure the Tory candidate in Stockton is grateful for his input?

[the other bob wilson]

For anyone unaware of what Jordi means.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/james-cle...-constituency/

[pipster]

For anyone unaware of what Jordi means.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/james-cle...-constituency/

Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

"The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

"The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.

You raise a good point. Based on my maths for every asylum seeker who landed in the UK in 2022, 8 other people arrived to work, study and live under the UK's normal immigration rules. Almost all these people arrived from non-EU countries and numbers have soared exponentially since we left the EU single market in 2020.

Who is to blame for this massive surge? People Traffickers, Supreme Court Judges?

[the other bob wilson]

Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

"The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.

Got a link to what Corbyn and Raynor said, because I couldn’t find anything.

When the current Foreign Secretary was Prime Minister,he was telling us that his Government’s net migration target was 100,000 a year, that went well didn’t it.

[JamesWales]

There is little debate here, surely. The govt have absolutely failed to properly control immigration.

They have succeeded in providing the UK with greater powers in this respect (a good thing in my opinion) but failed to bring levels down.

People will have different opinions on that, but I suspect few people think this level of immigration is sustainable or beneficial to us a society.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

"The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.

That's firmly at the feet of your lot

Since 2010 they have been banging the immigration drum and successive tory governments have told those that vote for them that it would be dealt with

And it's increased

Write to Rishi

[cyril evans awaydays]

There is little debate here, surely. The govt have absolutely failed to properly control immigration.

They have succeeded in providing the UK with greater powers in this respect (a good thing in my opinion) but failed to bring levels down.

People will have different opinions on that, but I suspect few people think this level of immigration is sustainable or beneficial to us a society.

The significant blip of Ukranians and people from Hong Kong aside, these immigration numbers seem driven by a massive expansion in overseas students and a major influx into the health and social care sectors to replace departing EU citizens and fill roles that UK citizens are unable or unwilling to fill.

There are for example over 150k chinese students studying at UK universities all paying tuition and accommodation fees whilst elsewhere we seem to be treating that country as a geo-political risk.

[pipster]

Got a link to what Corbyn and Raynor said, because I couldn’t find anything.

When the current Foreign Secretary was Prime Minister,he was telling us that his Government’s net migration target was 100,000 a year, that went well didn’t it.

Corbyn called someone that stupid women ( I the target was Theresa May) , Raynor called someone scum in the HoC (she has previous in that dept I believe).
Raynor was also given a lesson by Mordaunt - which is cringeworthy to watch - so much so that halfway through Raynor puts her mask on. All freely available on youtube.

Re it going well etc - I think it proves that since Blair said go find them from anywhere and let them in - the legal and illegal migration issue is a problem still not solved - on both sides. That is a problem shared amongst many other EU countries.

[MOZZER2]

That's firmly at the feet of your lot

Since 2010 they have been banging the immigration drum and successive tory governments have told those that vote for them that it would be dealt with

And it's increased

Write to Rishi

here's the complete break down of figures since 1992

1992 49,000
1994 94,000
1995 127,000
1996 116,000
--New Labour elected--
1997 107,000
1998 162,000
1999 187,000
2000 220,000
2001 220,000
2002 241,000
2003 239,000
2004 349,000
2005 293,000
2006 322,000
2007 330,000
2008 250,000
2009 242,000
--Conservatives elected--
2010 294,000
2011 291,000
2012 291,000
2012 229,000
2014 283,000
2015 379,000
--People vote for Brexit--
2016 369,000
2017 270,000
2018 285,000
2019 275,000
2020 374,000
2021 456,000
2022 745,000 (revised up)
2023 672,000

Source: Oxford Observatory/ONS

your correct a massive increase

[Eric Cartman]

There is little debate here, surely. The govt have absolutely failed to properly control immigration.

They have succeeded in providing the UK with greater powers in this respect (a good thing in my opinion) but failed to bring levels down.

People will have different opinions on that, but I suspect few people think this level of immigration is sustainable or beneficial to us a society.

This was the major lie around brexit, they can't bring it down because

- Pension must always go up above other metrics at the expense of everything else
- Pensioner cohort grows in proportion to working cohort

We cannot support existing promises without greater workforce

These have to be imported because people can't afford to have kids

When people who can't afford to have kids have them anyway, the 70 year old couple living in a 5 bed house in Surrey call them feckless

I haven't presented this very well but it's one big cycle/spiral of selfishness and denial going in one direction, downwards.

[the other bob wilson]

Corbyn called someone that stupid women ( I the target was Theresa May) , Raynor called someone scum in the HoC (she has previous in that dept I believe).
Raynor was also given a lesson by Mordaunt - which is cringeworthy to watch - so much so that halfway through Raynor puts her mask on. All freely available on youtube.

Re it going well etc - I think it proves that since Blair said go find them from anywhere and let them in - the legal and illegal migration issue is a problem still not solved - on both sides. That is a problem shared amongst many other EU countries.

So, Corbyn and Raynor didn’t use the word “shithole” then. As I remember it, Raynor called Tories “scum”, what she and Corbyn didn’t do was insult a whole community like Cleverly is alleged to have done, so it’s hardly the same thing as you claimed it was.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

here's the complete break down of figures since 1992

1992 49,000
1994 94,000
1995 127,000
1996 116,000
--New Labour elected--
1997 107,000
1998 162,000
1999 187,000
2000 220,000
2001 220,000
2002 241,000
2003 239,000
2004 349,000
2005 293,000
2006 322,000
2007 330,000
2008 250,000
2009 242,000
--Conservatives elected--
2010 294,000
2011 291,000
2012 291,000
2012 229,000
2014 283,000
2015 379,000
--People vote for Brexit--
2016 369,000
2017 270,000
2018 285,000
2019 275,000
2020 374,000
2021 456,000
2022 745,000 (revised up)
2023 672,000

Source: Oxford Observatory/ONS

your correct a massive increase

Migration was high at the end of the 1990s tory reign

It carried on under labour , reduced and now its higher than ever

If people usually on the right as in this thread are saying it's too high then they have voted for the party that has let it happen

It's 3 times in some cases what it was under Blair

[Doucas]

Something which both Corbyn and Raynor have been caught saying in the HoC btw. Meanwhile while people are wetting themselves over that - bbc just published that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-67507045

"The revised figures for 2022 show net migration to the UK was 745,000.
The new figures, for the 12 months to June 2023, show net migration at 672,000." these are net figures.

In the space of 2 years there has been the equivalent of 4 new Cardiffs created in terms of population rather than housing.

You're just lying here.

[Dave Blue]

Corbyn called someone that stupid women ( I the target was Theresa May) , Raynor called someone scum in the HoC (she has previous in that dept I believe).
Raynor was also given a lesson by Mordaunt - which is cringeworthy to watch - so much so that halfway through Raynor puts her mask on. All freely available on youtube.

Re it going well etc - I think it proves that since Blair said go find them from anywhere and let them in - the legal and illegal migration issue is a problem still not solved - on both sides. That is a problem shared amongst many other EU countries.

So unless Stockton is actually a shithole, 2 were right and one was wrong.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I don't think that penny mordant is in a position to try and lecture anyone after her pathetic fake tears at the tory conference

Stand up and fight !

That was laughable

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Theresa May is stupid ✅
The Tories are scum ✅
Stockton is a shithole .....that's wrong , some lovely country parks , fishing and architecture up that way

[pipster]

So, Corbyn and Raynor didn’t use the word “shithole” then. As I remember it, Raynor called Tories “scum”, what she and Corbyn didn’t do was insult a whole community like Cleverly is alleged to have done, so it’s hardly the same thing as you claimed it was.

You're dancing on the eye of pin again here Bob, Gordon Brown that bigoted woman, Emily Thornbery tweet over someone having the audacity to fly the cross of St George outside their house.
Glasshouses and stones.

Raynor called a Tory MP scum in the HoC as well at the Labour party conference where she called any Tory scum.

Do I care - not a jot. If any MP wants to say what they think - more power to them. It never stopped Dianne Abbott or Ken Livingston or Corbyn writing the forward for that book or the anti Semite re tweet.

I think everyone needs to untwist their collective knickers - we wanted honest politics after all.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You're dancing on the eye of pin again here Bob, Gordon Brown that bigoted woman, Emily Thornbery tweet over someone having the audacity to fly the cross of St George outside their house.
Glasshouses and stones.

Raynor called a Tory MP scum in the HoC as well at the Labour party conference where she called any Tory scum.

Do I care - not a jot. If any MP wants to say what they think - more power to them. It never stopped Dianne Abbott or Ken Livingston or Corbyn writing the forward for that book or the anti Semite re tweet.

I think everyone needs to untwist their collective knickers - we wanted honest politics after all.

If you want honest politics then you need to stop fibbing sonny , you are at it again !

[Jordi Culé]

If you want honest politics then you need to stop fibbing sonny , you are at it again !

An example of 'honest politics'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-67511542

*laughing*

[Rjk]

here's the complete break down of figures since 1992

1992 49,000
1994 94,000
1995 127,000
1996 116,000
--New Labour elected--
1997 107,000
1998 162,000
1999 187,000
2000 220,000
2001 220,000
2002 241,000
2003 239,000
2004 349,000
2005 293,000
2006 322,000
2007 330,000
2008 250,000
2009 242,000
--Conservatives elected--
2010 294,000
2011 291,000
2012 291,000
2012 229,000
2014 283,000
2015 379,000
--People vote for Brexit--
2016 369,000
2017 270,000
2018 285,000
2019 275,000
2020 374,000
2021 456,000
2022 745,000 (revised up)
2023 672,000

Source: Oxford Observatory/ONS

your correct a massive increase

brexits going well

[Rjk]

An example of 'honest politics'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-67511542

*laughing*

I've just heard the cleaned up audio, definitely says shit hole not shit MP.

Wasn't long ago there were consequences of lying in this country.

[ninian opinian]

Anyway, back to the subject in question.

Cleaned up audio here https://x.com/torywipeout/status/172...ZQyp-iO2wYo4Kg

I think we have another liar as Home Secretary.

[the other bob wilson]

You're dancing on the eye of pin again here Bob, Gordon Brown that bigoted woman, Emily Thornbery tweet over someone having the audacity to fly the cross of St George outside their house.
Glasshouses and stones.

Raynor called a Tory MP scum in the HoC as well at the Labour party conference where she called any Tory scum.

Do I care - not a jot. If any MP wants to say what they think - more power to them. It never stopped Dianne Abbott or Ken Livingston or Corbyn writing the forward for that book or the anti Semite re tweet.

I think everyone needs to untwist their collective knickers - we wanted honest politics after all.

And there was me thinking you were just using your usual whataboutism.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

BBC News - James Cleverly admits calling Labour MP 'unparliamentary' word
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-67511542

He's a liar