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  1. #1

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    Which is why I used the term "involved".
    They could be 95 percent involved

  2. #2

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    They could be 95 percent involved
    They could be 1% involved. They'd still be involved.

  3. #3

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    They could be 1% involved. They'd still be involved.
    But a big business like that won't be bothered if it loses 1 percent of its stake but would be if it was the majority investor ?

    In wall street they would call it risk capital

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You do realise that when the really big acts play the millenium they come from all over the UK?

    People are not going to come to Cardiff arena from Bristol, Swindon , Exeter , Bath as they do now if there is a similar venue in Bristol
    Why not? Cardiff has a massive catchment area and every big band that people are interested in aren’t going to solely play Bristol.

    Concerts aren’t like football where the support is localised and you need a large population to build a large stadium.

    Looking at the people with upcoming arena gigs across the country you’ve got Rick Astley, Niall Horan, Noel Gallagher, Slash, Arctic Monkeys, etc.

    If they played in Cardiff it would sell out.

    Even if they didn’t, surely it’s better to entice these sort of acts and sell 13,000 tickets rather than miss out on them to other places, such as Bristol, because we can only promise them a 10,000 crowd?

  5. #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK View Post
    Kiss? :P
    I havnt seen kiss since 1997

    Even then they looked old gits

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Why not? Cardiff has a massive catchment area and every big band that people are interested in aren’t going to solely play Bristol.

    Concerts aren’t like football where the support is localised and you need a large population to build a large stadium.

    Looking at the people with upcoming arena gigs across the country you’ve got Rick Astley, Niall Horan, Noel Gallagher, Slash, Arctic Monkeys, etc.

    If they played in Cardiff it would sell out.

    Even if they didn’t, surely it’s better to entice these sort of acts and sell 13,000 tickets rather than miss out on them to other places, such as Bristol, because we can only promise them a 10,000 crowd?
    You need a big population for arenas in the same way you need a big population for airports

    If we had built a 12000 seater venue 6 or 7years ago we would have stolen a march on brizzle and the arena they are coming up with now would have been playing catch up

    Now it's the other way round and two arenas close to each means one is going to miss out on a lot of gigs

    Liverpool , Manchester, Leeds and Sheffield all compete up north so I would suggest that a 10000 seater venue in Cardiff is going to get plenty of gigs being as the only one available for the west Country and South Wales for the last 30 years has been the CIA with just 5000 seating capacity and 7000 standing

    I think it's just logical and sensible because a 15000 seater venue is BIG and half of our gigs will now be in Bristol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    2026 ?

    Ff sake

    If Bristol build one before us then that will be first on the big gig circuit and get established

    I read that the capacity is going to be reduced which isn't a bad thing

    15000 seems a bit ambitious

    Big arenas in the UK from Scotland down ....

    Glasgow
    Newcastle
    Leeds
    Sheffield
    Manchester
    Liverpool
    Nottingham
    Birmingham
    London

    Then Cardiff , if its built ?

    That's a huge arc of Swansea, Cardiff , Newport , Valleys , Bristol , Bath , Gloucester , Swindon, Exeter

    I suppose Southampton , Portsmouth etc would come under Brighton Arena

    So it's between us and the wurzels

    I would think if or when Bristol build anything then the extra hour to us will be a factor

    This has taken years
    They have had extensive discussions with local residents which has obviously slowed things up. I'd say that is a good thing though.

  8. #8

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    Are Live Nation involved in Bristol? If they’re not then it will never be competition for a Live Nation run Cardiff arena.

  9. #9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Der Kaiser View Post
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any significant car park specifically provided for the Principality Stadium and that does fine, and was built 24 years ago. It's hardly a new idea.

    Would you rather the arena be built in some random outer suburb that gets flooded with thousands of car users? That sounds appealing.
    I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

    The NEC Birmingham is an example

  10. #10

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

    The NEC Birmingham is an example
    Why are you comparing to the NEC? The NEC is a huge event and exhbition space in the middle of the country.

    You are comparing apples with oranges.

  11. #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

    The NEC Birmingham is an example
    Well that's not happening, it's based in Wales

  12. #12

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I would think it would be better just off the M4 with a dedicated train station , car parks etc

    The NEC Birmingham is an example
    Exactly. we keep being told to use more public transport and not rely on cars, and then they build the things we want to visit in locations with no public transport links.

    Today paul weller announced his tour next year, nearest venue is the ICC in Newport. Maybe Drakeford and his cronies can explain how i get there and back from Barry using public transport!

  13. #13

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    Ours will be better than Bristols as long as Drippy has nothing to do with it.
    Why would he? What's his connection with Cardiff Council?

  14. #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    And you don't think that the Welsh Assembly has any influence over the City Council ?!! Drakeford and his cronies will be all over this like a rash. The only access to any new stadium will be by bus, tram, train or on foot. Or by luxury diesel limousine, so that ‘dignitaries’ can gain full and easy access.
    When did you graduate with your PhD in talking bollocks?

  15. #15

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    I have a place in Atlantic Wharf so I've taken an interest in this. There isn't any car parking so far as I'm aware. Hemingway Road will be blocked off and access to the south entrance to Schooner Way also blocked when there is an event on. There were discussions about giving some sort of access to residents but it's been rejected. So access would be via the Tyndall Road end.

  16. #16

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
    I have a place in Atlantic Wharf so I've taken an interest in this. There isn't any car parking so far as I'm aware. Hemingway Road will be blocked off and access to the south entrance to Schooner Way also blocked when there is an event on. There were discussions about giving some sort of access to residents but it's been rejected. So access would be via the Tyndall Road end.
    Do you live near the top end of Atlantic wharf ?

    Near the old wharf pub if it's still there ?

    Where the canal runs into the Dock?

  17. #17

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Do you live near the top end of Atlantic wharf ?

    Near the old wharf pub if it's still there ?

    Where the canal runs into the Dock?
    I don't live there FT but yes.

  18. #18

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Why are you comparing to the NEC? The NEC is a huge event and exhbition space in the middle of the country.

    You are comparing apples with oranges.
    Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

    To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

    Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

    So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand

  19. #19

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

    To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

    Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

    So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand
    Better in the city centre, but with a dedicated public transport system, park and rides etc. That's what is lacking, and people will take the risk of getting caught up in traffic if the costs are negligible. An arena in the centre brings business to the pubs, restaurants, shops etc, creates jobs, a vibrant city centre has much more value than an arena on the out skirts of town, same could be said of a football stadium. The problem is public transport.

  20. #20

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

    To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

    Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

    So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand
    Leeds Arena is just off the city centre you moron. Coryton roundabout is about 5 miles away from Cardiff City centre.

    You would argue black is white rather than see someone else’s point. You should transgender to being a woman.

  21. #21

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost View Post
    I don't live there FT but yes.
    Can I park in your place to go fishing in the canal ?

  22. #22

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Can I park in your place to go fishing in the canal ?
    Atlantic Wharf Fishing Club has permission to use our car park which is a bit further towards Tyndall Street. Access is controlled by phone and only those registered can use it. They obviously have some arrangement but I don't know what it is I'm afraid. Send them a message?

  23. #23

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Leeds Arena , located just off the A64 M , the link road around Leeds

    To explain that to you think the Coryton interchange at the bottom of the A470

    Leeds arena is about the same size of what we might have

    So I hope that's a perfect example for you and it hasn't been too difficult for you to understand
    Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

    It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.

  24. #24

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

    It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.
    Without checking, i would have thought that most of these Arenas would be within a few miles of a City Centre and not off some motorway junction. They're not airports.

  25. #25

    Re: New Cardiff indoor musical arena

    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Leeds Arena is closer to the city centre than the proposed Bay Arena.

    It’s probably about as far from the centre of Leeds as the Civic Centre is from Cardiff.
    15 minute walk if you are lucky

    It's just off the ring road

    What sort of road system has Cardiff got to deal with a big venue so close to the city ?

    Leeds is surrounded by major road systems to disperse traffic quickly

    We have the A4232 ......and that's it

    Building these things in the middle of city's isn't a great idea

    I wouldn't want to be living in South Cardiff when a gig or event is going on . Which could be 4 nights a week .

    And if CCFC are at home ?

    Good luck with all that

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