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Poor Tommy
There is a so far peaceful march by the Jewish community and supporters in London today
60000 people it appears
Tommy and his mob turn up despite the protestors saying he wouldn't be welcome and would attract the neo nazi crew
He ignored that , turned up with his bouncers and has been arrested
Poor Tommy
Worse type of person who thankfully doesn't represent the norm .
Wonderful to see support for the persecuted Jewish communities, a society very few ever seem to support ir think they too are racially profiled as far back as 605 BCE.
Think they win the prize of top of the persecution charts ??
How was the march?Originally Posted by life on mars
Something to reflect on and perhaps explain why the state of Israel is what it is .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews
I don't think it's a competition
Didn't suggest it was.
It's extremely sad.
shalom aleichem
I don’t get this far right/support for Jews connection. If they (British Nazis) didn’t hate Muslims more, they’d be hunting down Jews let’s be honest here.
It isn't far right support for Jews. It is far right support for Israel and for Zionism.
It is admiration for extreme and violent nationalism (Modi seems to admire Netanyahu and sees Israeli state ideology as a template for extreme Hindu anti-Moslem nationalism). It is also hatred of Arabs, Moslems and/or brown people - working on the basis of 'my enemy's enemy is my friend'.
It is also often driven by Christian fundamentalism where a three millennia old folk tale of a God giving some land to his 'chosen people' is treated like a modern property transaction. Many Christian Zionists in Europe and America going back to the end of the nineteenth century are/were also complete anti semites. They approved the creation of a Jewish 'homeland' so that they wouldn't have to live next to Jewish people in their own towns and cities.
That is why Tommy Robinson a few weeks back posted a photo of himself with an Israeli flag next to an IDF tank in northern Israel. That is why Marine Le Pen joined the pro Israel march in France and associated herself with the Israeli flag. That is why the leading white supremacist neo-Nazi in the USA (Richard Spencer) describes himself as both an anti semite and a 'white Zionist'.
It is also why the tens of thousands of Jews (particularly in London and New York) who have taken a full part in the Palestine demonstrations in the past 6 weeks have been subjected to some of the worst abuse and threats from not on the far right, but also the Israeli government and its apologists and lobbyists. There was a big Jewish presence (again) on the Palestine march in London on Saturday - including on the speaker platform.
He shouldn't have gone. He was asked not to and he still went.
But, the difference nowadays is that you can watch all this stuff for yourself on line. So the videos are there of him being peaceful and doing his role as a journalist (which strictly speaking is probably what he is in all honesty nowadays) and then dragged away by 12 officers. Which is of course absolutely what he wanted.
Not an easy one for organisers.
He is a complete and utter twat
Easy for the coppers though. It's what they're best at nowadays..
Did I just read you think Yaxley Lennon is a journalist and not an opportunistic racist chancer who manipulates the phucking dim?
No need to respond.
I think it's more that the 'problem' for them has become Islam and Jews are seen as a bulwark against it. Same with Hindus and Indias situation with Pakistan.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" etc
Whether it is far left or far right or down the middle - everyone, regardless of political opinion has the right to protest and the right of freedom of movement in the UK. Plenty of people waving anti Semite banners have been allowed on Palestinian marches as well peaceful protestors.
He has a narrative, he got what he probably wanted - the headlines .
I agree with your assessment of Tommy Robinson's objectives. But what are these 'anti Semite banners' that you have seen 'allowed on Palestinian marches'?
Here's a particular one that was circulated by the Met. Nazi symbol intertwined with the star of David
banner-palestine.jpg
I hadn't seen that before. The symbol is certainly offensive. Offensive and inappropriate even if there are now fascists with ministerial posts in the Israeli government. Protestors need find a different way of showing that Israel is a violent colonial power with a racist state ideology. Israel is not the same as Nazi Germany and no one should use a swastika symbol to imply it is.
However, the words are not. There should not be a Conservative Friends of Israel and a Labour Friends of Israel as official parliamentary organisations that have close ties to the embassy of a foreign state and act as advocates for that state within the UK legislature. There are no other 'Friends of' groups in Parliament - unless you count the empty shell of Labour Friends of Palestine - a PR exercise in mock impartiality and a group that never met (Lisa Nandy was supposed to be the chair and was happy to promote the con).
But the usual (in recent weeks) claims of those who see the Palestine marches as 'hate marches' is to call 'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' as anti semitic and a cause of distress to UK Jews. There were certainly thousands of placards with that on in the recent marches, and it was a regular chant. It was Jewish people leading that chant where I was on Saturday - and it clearly means something very different from the claims of Braverman, the Chief Rabbi and the clutch of pro-Israel propagandists. It means an Israel/Palestine of peace and justice. It means an end to occupation. It means human rights for all. As a slogan it is completely consistent with a future two state solution or with a single state of equal rights and opportunities. It is not consistent with a greater Israel in which the remaining Palestinians have been killed or expelled - and if supporters of that particular vision are offended by the chant, then good.
The other recent propaganda attacks on supporters of the Palestinians (including tens of thousands of UK Jews) is that the Palestinian flag is threatening and anti semitic; that describing Israeli war crimes as war crimes, or describing genocide in Gaza as genocide is anti semitic; and that reference to the death of over 5000 children under Israeli bombs and tank shells is repeating the medieval blood libel! All cynical crap designed to silence those speaking out for victims in Israel/Palestine.
The marches have been explicitly opposed to anti semitism and Islamophobia. The organisers have condemned the Hamas murders and hostage taking. But after 7 October the civilians being crushed, dismembered and burned to death are mainly Palestinian. That is the focus.
The leader of the Campaign Against Antisemitism today claimed that the Palestine marches had made London unsafe for Jews - ignoring the thousands of Jews who took an active part in those marches and the Jewish speakers at the end of them (and not just the London demonstrations but dozens of smaller ones around the UK since the start of the attack on Gaza).
There have been a handful of people arrested (similar proportion of the crowd as at the much smaller protest against anti semitism in London today). Some of those have displayed or shouted anti semitic messages. Some of them have been arrested for having slogans in Arabic that the Met Police couldn't understand so decided to make arrests just in case. A young woman on my coach from Sheffield on Saturday was picked off by the police for carrying a baby body bag with English and Arabic words on it denouncing baby murder in Gaza! Another was arrested for a placard that said 'Zionism is Terrorism".
Apart from the dozens of regional demonstrations (in Sheffield twice a weeks since early October) the London events have been huge - with 800,000 on 11 November and 300,000 on 25 November (both Press Association figures) and have been marked by how disciplined and well behaved they have been. Angry yes but not violent or abusive or intimidatory. An Israeli spokesman on the BBC today labelled them as pro-Hamas rallies. More cynical crap!
Of course they would , the EDL were displaying Jewish star of David flags in their pathetic cardiff showing because they knew it would wind up local Muslims
A week later they would probably be on the football terraces shouting abuse at Tottenham fans
The march attended by lots of people , not only those of Jewish origin was not much different to the march attended by pro Palestinian supporters
If the moderate views voiced on these marches was matched on the ground that would be a forward step
However what is Robert Jenricke doing attending that rally as a government minister ?
Not only is that possibly inflammatory the bloke is also responsible for some very right wing comments
Free Palestine ?
No they don't
If you walked down St Mary Street with a Nazi Flag you would be arrested
What does the Jews are the top of the persecution charts mean then ?
What is his job then?
Opportunistic chancer who rinses the dim?
Has he paid all the money to the kid he labelled yet?
Is he still stalking journalists?
Is he still dabbling in mortgage fraud?
Who knows? He's not a journalist.
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