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Excellent thanks.Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Our crowds grew in the last ten years but have since regressed.
My question still remains, why isn’t there widespread support in the city of Cardiff itself?
The valleys, Barry, Bridgend, Caerphilly all heartlands yet Cardiff seems to be people disinterested. Must be the only city in Europe with such an issue, where we do the hard bit of convincing fans to travel to home games but not those fans who are close to the ground.
Finally the penny drops. Look at clubs who have kept similar crowds in the Championship when they've been relegated from the top flight and you'll find that they're all massive clubs with many years spent at that level.
What do you expect, similar crowds in the Prem and Championship? Really?
Bristol city and Stoke have bigger average attendances than us.Ipswich had bigger in league one as did Derby.
And?
We've spent 2 seasons staving off relegation battles yet our average this season is over 1.5k bigger than last season and higher than when we won promotion under Warnock.
All these other clubs had 10 20 or 30 years in the top flight before coming down to this level it's those long periods of time which then generate generations of families that stick with their home town club and not latch on to the top six.
It's as simple as that.
Cardiff is infested with these tossers sadly due to 17 years in the bottom 2 leagues
That's absolute nonsense.
How do we know that other sides' main support comes from the cities themselves? You cite Stoke and Bristol City. I reckon lots of their support comes from outside those cities.
Without a doubt. I wonder how many of those support the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd? Think about it. During the 80s and 90s when we were at our worst, they were the two most successful teams in the league.
I have two close friends living near Newport. They're both United fans in their mid 20s. I've offered to take them to see a Newport County game, their local team, as long as it didn't clash with us being at home, just to get them interested in their local side. Not a flicker of interest. No interest in watching them play the likes of Northampton, Walsall etc and, in a way, I don't blame them. Unless you're a supporter, why would you want to watch a bottom division match? The answer of "because it's your local team" doesn't cut it one bit.
I think, sometimes, we get too hung up on needing to support a "local" side. Most of the top PL sides rely on support from way outside their areas.
Cardiff, being shit during the growth of the PL in the 90s, not to mention the hooligan issues, has hurt us in terms of attracting fans. Get us to the PL and we're nearly selling out every week. There's a world of difference between playing a PL game at home and the shit we saw last night.
Excuses
Pompey , Bradford , Plymouth
All bigger gates than us in the lower leagues
Unless we are playing the big boys a lot of people simply couldn't give a toss
The years before didn't help either
Even when we were in the old division two and three we were shite and a yo yo club
We certainly wernt getting huge gates on a regular basis in the seventies
Hereford was a whopper but big gates were often followed by a huge drop in support if we wernt playing a big team or it wasn't an important game with something on it
Chill
How many capital cities in Europe have one club and very few people actually support the club?
It’s easy and lazy to wheel out the same excuses like the premier league. It hasn’t affected other clubs of a similar size who’ve not been established EPL teams. Plus there’s no other clubs near us geographically.
Re Warnock attendances, we are currently averaging 2k less than that season
I don’t know if Cardiff fans are more apathetic than others but there doesn’t seem to be a cultural link to the city itself
Of course cardiff fans are more apathetic
And fickle
You could offer free tickets left right and centre and even offer to drive some fans to the ground and they would find an excuse
Weather
Champions league
Christmas shopping
The goldfish has the flu
Ok, so if they're excuses, I would like to know how you saw our attendances going from when Russell Slade was in charge with reasons. Over to you, or shut up.
And why does that matter? There are other clubs who had lower crowds than us.
Course they would if it's not their thing and, until the last 15 years or so, the club has hardly put itself into a position to "be that thing".
You've moaned about our first attendance in the Championship against Bradford. Did you really expect thousands more to turn up just because we got promoted?
Sludge, one question for you. Given our more recent malaise in the Championship, after 2 crap seasons in the PL, what do you think would be acceptable as our average attendance and why, in the context of other seasons' attendances, do you think that should have been achievable? If you can't put a figure to it, please don't bother replying.
Yes , did you go ?
That was another poor crowd and a major let down for the club
We had just got back to the championship level after 17 years away
35000 fans packed into the millenium
All this sleeping giant crap
16421 , including 600 Bradford fans
A lower gate that day than the year before on opening against Wycombe in the 3rd level
Everyone I knew and every city fan I spoke to was very disappointed at that gate
We got bigger crowds against Shrewsbury and Barnet in division 4
It's interesting you bring this game up because it proved that Cardiff and its surrounding area simply isn't really interested in backing the football club
That was a real sense of success relatively for us ......back playing in the upper reaches of English football ......and the club were let down .....a 20 k gate would have shown we meant business
Dave Jones was a miserable git but he was right when he said he thought Cardiff were a big club but the crowds were a let down
Being a capital city means nothing.
PSG get nearly 20k less than Marseille.
Manchester United are the best supported team in England by about 15k week in week out.
Celtic and Rangers get 100k fans weekly combined compared to Hearts and Hibs’ 30k.
Bayern get more than Hertha and Union Berlin combined.
Roma have been the 3rd best supported team in Italy for years.
Warnock’s attendances are boosted by the last few games of the season that were 25k - 33k crowds. We started that season getting crowds of 16k and 17k.
Mate, give up on stats. There are a few who aren't intelligent enough to know what they mean.
As almost certainly one of the younger posters on the board (another reason ccmb won’t exist in 20 years time) I’d have to say the reputation of the club has been dealt irreparable damage over the years.
There’s either idiots thinking we’re the same club that takes 2000 to Scunthorpe in a cost of living crisis or that we should have 17000 at the CCS.
Cardiff isn’t a big city, and the city itself has absolutely no football history outside of an FA Cup win nearly a century ago.
I’d bet nearly all if not every single one of the posters on here with over 15000 posts are over 50 years old.
You all live in a fantasy land, the club is shit, we are run like shit, and we get crowds that resemble a shit club, which we are.
Post of the year.
The point remains a we’re a one club city, no nearby rivals and a large population to tap in to. Yet the people of Cardiff don’t follow en masse
What reason have they had over the last 50 years to do so?
I’m sick of reading some old ****ers debating why we don’t get bigger crowds.
We don’t get ‘big’ because we are shit, and it’s about as simple as that.
Cardiff is a great city, and anyone this board suggesting otherwise has either never lived in Cardiff or never lived in a city.
But as far as football goes, the City are shite, and we almost certainly always will be.
Get over it. Get over the perceived lower crowds. We’re crap, and that’s the biggest sell for tickets.
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