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Littler for the Premier League, regardless of whether he wins or not tonight?
Pressure's on Littler
What is your definition of sport?
Most, but not all sports, rely upon the ability to be 'fit' in terms of strength, stamina etc ... archery, some forms of fishing, curling, bowls, snooker, billiards, chess, recreational golf etc
Darts requires hand-eye co-ordination, mental strength, the ability for the brain to do swift mathematical calculations and at the highest level to perform under intense pressure of a noisy crowd.
I don't think 'personality' has to be part of an argument whether Darts is a sport.
Come on ff sake
Of those you have listed darts , snooker and fishing are clearly not in need of any real sort of stamina and strength
Curling , bowls , golf all require an element of fitness , golf particularly so .....professional golfers are on the whole athletic athletes.....just by looking at most of these guys you can tell they are in good physical shape ?
Darts and snooker are former pub sports and in the seventies and eighties some players in both sports would walk up to the snooker table or darts board smoking and drinking
Of course there are exceptions but so many snooker and darts players of old were overweight and unhealthy , smoking and drinking
Jocky Wilson , Leighton Rees , Bill Werbineck , Alex Higgins ......all in poor condition and smoking and drinking not in their private time ......but whilst they were performing
That to me suggests if darts and snooker are sports then physical condition isn't in any way necessary
It's a shame that young lad didn't win but at 16 to be carrying that weight and be in that sort of physical condition ......and be in a world final of a sport ?
I think it's fair enough to question the definition of darts as a sport in this instance
The joy it gives to people who watch and the tension and entertainment in the crowd etc is not in question
Same with snooker, it doesn't interest me , I would rather go fishing which again in general doesn't depend on stamina , strength , aerobic capacity etc
You can catch loads of fish and win biggest fish competitions and still spend 4 nights a week down the pub
It can be skilful but it's not a sport wether you enjoy it or not
Apologies ... my initial response was not implying that archery, some forms of fishing, curling, bowls, snooker, billiards, chess, recreational golf rely upon the ability to be 'fit' in terms of strength, stamina etc
I agree that back in the day smoking and drinking were common among darts & snooker and to a lesser degree golf players.
The lad who won the darts tonight appeared to be someone in finer 'shape' than his opponent. Note that beer has been substituted with copious amounts of bottled water and smoking is not allowed - unless they go outside for a fag during the breaks.
No need for any apology I mostly agree
And of course wether it's the rules or sponsorship or the law ...eg no smoking ....the average darts player is in better physical shape than they were 20 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darts
You don't define what is a sport or not.
It's a target SPORT -
Target sports
Sports where the main objective is to hit a certain target.
Archery
Axe throwing
Bocce
Bocce volo
Boccia
Bolas criollas
Boules
Bowling
Candlepin bowling
Duckpin bowling
Five-pin bowling
Nine-pin bowling
Ten-pin bowling
Trick bowling
Turkey bowling
Bowls a.k.a. lawn bowls
Calva
Cornhole
Croquet
Curling
Darts
Horseshoes (horseshoe throwing)
Jeu provençal (boule lyonnaise)
Jukskei
KanJam
Knife throwing
Kubb
Lawn darts
Matball
Mölkky
Pall mall
Pétanque
Pitch and putt
Ring-goal
Shooting
Shuffleboard
Skittles
Skee ball
Tejo
Trugo
Varpa
Woodball
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darts
What about toy throwing from pram?
ccmb must have a few contenders for that world title over the years
Funny init, I know Luke Littler was runner up, but the fella that won it was Luke who ???????
It doesnt, but the questionable nature on if darts is a sport coupled with the fact that the kid hasnt shown much personality yet would imho suggests that LL wouldnt win sports personality of the year which was the question posed.
It's all subjective right? Out of interest does poker count as a sport for you? that also requires, mental strength, the brain to do swift mathematical calculations and sometimes under the pressure of a crowd.
A lot more difficult strength wise than darts
You don't see many fat babies
Yes , poker is clearly a sport in the potty world on here
They are fine tuned athletes
On a diet of vodka and fags
Breakdancing ff sake
Mind you they need an element of fitness
Is knitting in that list ?
No nor is banking, so hand your gold medal back
It's a pastime and something I am very good atNo nor is banking, so hand your gold medal back
But it's not a sport
You have to be mentally strong to play top-level professional darts, it's like a penalty shoot-out every game or pressure golf putts every time.
it will be interesting to see how both Lukes do over the next few years?
there's something about these young players who break through across many sports who just show no fear at all, and seem to take it all in their stride .
is that because they're young and their youthful exuberance hasn't yet been diminished by the weight of experience, or is it perhaps that they are just innately like that, and tje people who don't have that we jist don't get to see.
Of course your opinion whether darts is a sport is subjective. I just wanted to add a counter argument.
Don't know much about Poker as a sport / competition. I assume there need to be tournaments involved to qualify it as a type of sport. Is computer gaming classified as a sport?
Going back to 'darts', I base my opinion on the fact that it is a competition between two (or four in doubles) players in a tournament, with ultimate winners & onlooking spectators.
Sport can be classified into two or perhaps even more categories ... those requiring a particular level of physical fitness and those that do not.
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