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I think that's been the case for the last 13 years. While Blair is now generally seen as an arsehole, Labour's pledges in 1997 of Education were probably the last time a party was voted in on a positive message. There has been little positivity in British politics since.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We'd had 18 years of the Tories by 1997. 13 years of labour was enough by 2010 and now we've had enough of another 14 years of the Tories (although they've probably overstayed their welcome this time).
Wonder how long it'll be til the country's had enough of this version of the Labour Party?
One term only with a note, I'm afraid there is no money left.
And in Wales we have had 26 years of Labour
Thoughts ?
Are we all that thick ?
No, we've had twenty six years of Labour with the Westminster Government pulling the financial strings.
and 26 years of mismanagement of those funds such a week argument that one
I'm talking more generally, you've become more aggressive and fervent in your now entrenched left wing view. Admit it, you're in a "culture war" echo chamber on twitter. I've seen a marked change in you over time. Not having a pop just making an observation
But I thought you'd only been posting on here a tomato season?
Strange that in this thread, I'm being accused on the one hand of abandoning my left wing principals to vote Tory lite and on the other I'm in a culture war echo chamber on Twitter that makes me more aggressive and fervent in my entrenched left wing view. You Tories need to make your minds up. In reality, the truth is much simpler, I'll do whatever makes a defeat more likely for your lot at the ballot box.
I see you ignored my question on what would possess anyone to keep on voting for this Government - what have they done in the last four years that makes you proud to be a Tory?
I don't think he's really sure, I think he takes a lead from Sludge on this point, then the others on here for other views?
If he was proper left like some of the others, he would be wetting himself with excitement at the mention of Jewemy coming back to beat up Starmer
Yeah, you two have a chat between yourselves and maybe you can sort a united approach out between you - you may also work out an answer to my question as to why on earth you are still backing this Government.I don't think he's really sure, I think he takes a lead from Sludge on this point, then the others on here for other views?
If he was proper left like some of the others, he would be wetting himself with excitement at the mention of Jewemy coming back to beat up Starmer
Ah yeah, anything you don't like is an echo chamber.
Daily Mail and GBeebies is gods honest news isn't it.
Blinking text editors. Reading it back I thought my post didn't flow too easily.
Touché!
Was that just before he introduced top up tuition fees for students?
"Gbeebies" is such a cringe term. I'll bet that prat Owen Jones uses it day in day out. You and Bob need to lay off the culture WARS stuff.
And stop supporting avowed communists. Not a good look
You find it cringe but it's the truth, television to park old people in front of like you would a child to keep them occupied.
Where did he mention Daily Mail or GB News? Neither of which you consume, would be my guess?
Strange way to argue against being part of a culture-war when you say stuff like that.
By your logic that Ninian guy must also be in a culture war because nobody mentioned Twitter until him.
Probably agree with you on it. I think it's more the way that people will use these often crass stereotypes and then deny it is contributing to any culture war. Sensible people consume all media in my opinion.
Prat
The tories are tossers
Vote for them and you are a tosser
Careful, then when you tick the Labour Tory Lite box then as you will become a tossser
Thats not strictly true.
Firstly we've had three different colours of govt in Westminster, so just blaming them sounds more like a Plaid type argument, that I don't think you are making
Secondly, Wales receives more Weatminate spending per head tha England by some distance. Also significantly more than we put in. What exactly do we expect Westminster to do?
Thirdly, the Welsh Govt do have signicant tax rasing powers which they choose not to use. They just want Westminster to make that difficult decision rather than themselves.
Fourthly, even if the purse strings were entirely held by Westminster and individual department budgets were set b Westminster (which they arent), how you choose to spend something still matters. If you give 1 million quid to two people, how they spend it matters. It can't just be a case of saying you want more.
I do get peoples ideological preference for one party or another but that shouldnt override the facts staring us in the face.
You criticise the Westminster govt, which is fair enough, but after a quarter of a century where stats are broadly comparable we are nearly always worse off in devolved areas.
Yesterday we learned it was in the area of cancer treatment. I mean, Christ alive, don't people care bot this stuff? I know I do.
All I'm doing is pointing out that the Welsh Government does not have total control over how it allocates and spends its money - it's the same in Scotland to a lesser degree. How can the Welsh Government be held solely responsible for what happens in Wales when it doesn't have total control? That's not being party political because the same would be true if we had a Plaid Cymru. Conservative or any other party Assembly Government.
stop blaming Westminster for Welsh problems, its about efficiencies , what you have to hand ,how you manage it , we all know the money that has been wasted is wasted by WAG you can see that in their selfish proposal to add more AM's to our bill , 20mph etc when we have not covered off the care in the community , they are useless and just fall back on the ( its Westminster problem ) ffs open ones eyes .
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