Sir Keir Starmer faces the spectre of a rival 'real Labour' party led by Jeremy Corbyn, friends of the ex-party leader claimed last night.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I’ve changed in that these days I vote to try to stop a party winning as a first choice before voting for the party I support. I think many do the same thing - after all, the only reason anyone can possibly vote for this Government must be to keep another party out mustn’t it?

I think that's been the case for the last 13 years. While Blair is now generally seen as an arsehole, Labour's pledges in 1997 of Education were probably the last time a party was voted in on a positive message. There has been little positivity in British politics since.

[The Bloop]

I think that's been the case for the last 13 years. While Blair is now generally seen as an arsehole, Labour's pledges in 1997 of Education were probably the last time a party was voted in on a positive message. There has been little positivity in British politics since.

We'd had 18 years of the Tories by 1997. 13 years of labour was enough by 2010 and now we've had enough of another 14 years of the Tories (although they've probably overstayed their welcome this time).
Wonder how long it'll be til the country's had enough of this version of the Labour Party?

[North Cardiff Blue]

We'd had 18 years of the Tories by 1997. 13 years of labour was enough by 2010 and now we've had enough of another 14 years of the Tories (although they've probably overstayed their welcome this time).
Wonder how long it'll be til the country's had enough of this version of the Labour Party?

One term only with a note, I'm afraid there is no money left.

[NinianOpinion1927]

I’ve changed in that these days I vote to try to stop a party winning as a first choice before voting for the party I support. I think many do the same thing - after all, the only reason anyone can possibly vote for this Government must be to keep another party out mustn’t it?

I'm talking more generally, you've become more aggressive and fervent in your now entrenched left wing view. Admit it, you're in a "culture war" echo chamber on twitter. I've seen a marked change in you over time. Not having a pop just making an observation

[the other bob wilson]

I'm talking more generally, you've become more aggressive and fervent in your now entrenched left wing view. Admit it, you're in a "culture war" echo chamber on twitter. I've seen a marked change in you over time. Not having a pop just making an observation

But I thought you'd only been posting on here a tomato season?

Strange that in this thread, I'm being accused on the one hand of abandoning my left wing principals to vote Tory lite and on the other I'm in a culture war echo chamber on Twitter that makes me more aggressive and fervent in my entrenched left wing view. You Tories need to make your minds up . In reality, the truth is much simpler, I'll do whatever makes a defeat more likely for your lot at the ballot box.

I see you ignored my question on what would possess anyone to keep on voting for this Government - what have they done in the last four years that makes you proud to be a Tory?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Absolutely spot on! The Tory media is never so viscous as when the wealth of their own is under jeopardy.

Also let's not forget half the country was crazed up on Brexit at the time and the Labour party was painted as the destroyer of dreams. Never before has the majority been so overwhelmingly gaslit by the bullshit of a few.

It was indeed a sticky situation.

[North Cardiff Blue]

I'm talking more generally, you've become more aggressive and fervent in your now entrenched left wing view. Admit it, you're in a "culture war" echo chamber on twitter. I've seen a marked change in you over time. Not having a pop just making an observation

I don't think he's really sure, I think he takes a lead from Sludge on this point, then the others on here for other views?

If he was proper left like some of the others, he would be wetting himself with excitement at the mention of Jewemy coming back to beat up Starmer

[Dorcus]

It was indeed a sticky situation.

Blinking text editors. Reading it back I thought my post didn't flow too easily.

[the other bob wilson]

I don't think he's really sure, I think he takes a lead from Sludge on this point, then the others on here for other views?

If he was proper left like some of the others, he would be wetting himself with excitement at the mention of Jewemy coming back to beat up Starmer

Yeah, you two have a chat between yourselves and maybe you can sort a united approach out between you - you may also work out an answer to my question as to why on earth you are still backing this Government.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Blinking text editors. Reading it back I thought my post didn't flow too easily.

Touché!

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

I think that's been the case for the last 13 years. While Blair is now generally seen as an arsehole, Labour's pledges in 1997 of Education were probably the last time a party was voted in on a positive message. There has been little positivity in British politics since.

Was that just before he introduced top up tuition fees for students?

[Doucas]

I'm talking more generally, you've become more aggressive and fervent in your now entrenched left wing view. Admit it, you're in a "culture war" echo chamber on twitter. I've seen a marked change in you over time. Not having a pop just making an observation

Ah yeah, anything you don't like is an echo chamber.

Daily Mail and GBeebies is gods honest news isn't it.

[NinianOpinion1927]

Ah yeah, anything you don't like is an echo chamber.

Daily Mail and GBeebies is gods honest news isn't it.

"Gbeebies" is such a cringe term. I'll bet that prat Owen Jones uses it day in day out. You and Bob need to lay off the culture WARS stuff.
And stop supporting avowed communists. Not a good look

[JamesWales]

Ah yeah, anything you don't like is an echo chamber.

Daily Mail and GBeebies is gods honest news isn't it.

Where did he mention Daily Mail or GB News? Neither of which you consume, would be my guess?

Strange way to argue against being part of a culture-war when you say stuff like that.

[Doucas]

"Gbeebies" is such a cringe term. I'll bet that prat Owen Jones uses it day in day out. You and Bob need to lay off the culture WARS stuff.
And stop supporting avowed communists. Not a good look

You find it cringe but it's the truth, television to park old people in front of like you would a child to keep them occupied.

[Doucas]

Where did he mention Daily Mail or GB News? Neither of which you consume, would be my guess?

Strange way to argue against being part of a culture-war when you say stuff like that.

By your logic that Ninian guy must also be in a culture war because nobody mentioned Twitter until him.

[JamesWales]

By your logic that Ninian guy must also be in a culture war because nobody mentioned Twitter until him.

Probably agree with you on it. I think it's more the way that people will use these often crass stereotypes and then deny it is contributing to any culture war. Sensible people consume all media in my opinion.

[NinianOpinion1927]

By your logic that Ninian guy must also be in a culture war because nobody mentioned Twitter until him.

Prat

[pipster]

We'd had 18 years of the Tories by 1997. 13 years of labour was enough by 2010 and now we've had enough of another 14 years of the Tories (although they've probably overstayed their welcome this time).
Wonder how long it'll be til the country's had enough of this version of the Labour Party?

And in Wales we have had 26 years of Labour

Thoughts ?
Are we all that thick ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The tories are tossers

Vote for them and you are a tosser

[the other bob wilson]

And in Wales we have had 26 years of Labour

Thoughts ?
Are we all that thick ?

No, we've had twenty six years of Labour with the Westminster Government pulling the financial strings.

[life on mars]

I’d gladly vote Lib Dem (real Tory Lite) to get this Government out.

You are aware that Blair/Maddy are running the current push to get a Tory lite party in so vote for them , get few more Middle East wars up on the agenda get the Union Jack flying once again above the Labour ( Lite ) Sir SAS Kier .

Blairism aka Tory Lite and been in power for an age ( except for the Boris era ) .. I cant wait for the return of Labour and understand who voted for them on this very board who haven't had a good word to say about Blair other than calling him a war criminal / Tory .

As for the Real Lib's Sir can't see Sir Ed of the Post Office Davey lasting long ( i'm sure a must step down due to personal reasons is on its way ) so we need a new Real Liberal party for you to vote for which is probably Churchill / Boris Libertarian type policies.

A plague on all their houses is better shout /look for the lost tribes of ( Real Labour was that ever such a thing trust loop fans picking at an IRA ( real ) Term ....... speaks volumes for a party I sadly cannot relate to anymore

John 1929, Sludge , Cyril's Away Wiv De Fairies , Dorcus, Taunton's Blue Jeans ,Sploooo Parker etc all lost tribes wandering the corridors looking for real socialism since Thatcher's huge wind of change , now she did bring real change albeit in a painful way but did turn country's fortunes around by e deregulation of UK financial markets , leading to an economic boom we probably all enjoy as homeowners 1946 / baby boomers , and whilst we enjoy the fall out of her policies and Blair to some extent they had a determental effect to the very low end of life ie welfare etc ..

But you all enjoy that fruit ....................... to this day ..

Up the Real

[life on mars]

No, we've had twenty six years of Labour with the Westminster Government pulling the financial strings.

and 26 years of mismanagement of those funds such a week argument that one

[life on mars]

The tories are tossers

Vote for them and you are a tosser

Careful, then when you tick the Labour Tory Lite box then as you will become a tossser

[Taunton Blue Genie]

You are aware that Blair/Maddy are running the current push to get a Tory lite party in so vote for them , get few more Middle East wars up on the agenda get the Union Jack flying once again above the Labour ( Lite ) Sir SAS Kier .

Blairism aka Tory Lite and been in power for an age ( except for the Boris era ) .. I cant wait for the return of Labour and understand who voted for them on this very board who haven't had a good word to say about Blair other than calling him a war criminal / Tory .

As for the Real Lib's Sir can't see Sir Ed of the Post Office Davey lasting long ( i'm sure a must step down due to personal reasons is on its way ) so we need a new Real Liberal party for you to vote for which is probably Churchill / Boris Libertarian type policies.

A plague on all their houses is better shout /look for the lost tribes of ( Real Labour was that ever such a thing trust loop fans picking at an IRA ( real ) Term ....... speaks volumes for a party I sadly cannot relate to anymore

John 1929, Sludge , Cyril's Away Wiv De Fairies , Dorcus, Taunton's Blue Jeans ,Sploooo Parker etc all lost tribes wandering the corridors looking for real socialism since Thatcher's huge wind of change , now she did bring real change albeit in a painful way but did turn country's fortunes around by e deregulation of UK financial markets , leading to an economic boom we probably all enjoy as homeowners 1946 / baby boomers , and whilst we enjoy the fall out of her policies and Blair to some extent they had a determental effect to the very low end of life ie welfare etc ..

But you all enjoy that fruit ....................... to this day ..

Up the Real

When have I ever posted a message on here about support socialism or the Labour party?

I'll tell you: Never.

I don't get involved in the left v right political party squabbles on here.

Retract your fantasy about my political leanings, you gibbering idiot.