Loan Report

[Loramski]

I know people will laugh it off as a league one partnership and whatever else they have to say, but do you think Adams and King could play behind Colwill/Turnbull/Ramsey? both seem to be energetic box to box types with the legs to run in the middle all day long, by all accounts neither of them are slow. Can't comment on their passing ability mind you..

I haven't seen enough of King or Adams to make an assessment and I'm wary of going overboard about either. Derby have got Collins, Nelson and Mendez-Laing playing for them plus Pack (at Portsmouth) and Mendez-Laing have just made the League 1 team of the season so we have to balance that with the rave reviews Adams is getting at Derby. King is playing regularly in the Scottish Prem but, as I've said before, so are Matty Kennedy and Marley Watkins so it's hard to know exactly what level he's at either.

Sometimes a partnership can work though and you may be right about those two as a pairing but we won't be able to judge until pre-season, by which time Adams may well have gone. It's one downside of loans, however well they go. You can't suddenly check to see how Fagan-Walcott or Tsunoda might fit into a back three here or what system, position and teammates would suit Isaak Davies, just as you can't check if Adams and King would pair up well.

As long as King is fit and ready for pre-season then he should be able to force his way in if he's good enough, whoever the manager is. If Bulut stays I'd like to think he'll be judging everyone on their merits rather than stubbornly sticking with players he's brought in. There has to be a pathway for the youngsters to come through when they're ready for first team action, of course.

[Dembe]

I haven't seen enough of King or Adams to make an assessment and I'm wary of going overboard about either. Derby have got Collins, Nelson and Mendez-Laing playing for them plus Pack (at Portsmouth) and Mendez-Laing have just made the League 1 team of the season so we have to balance that with the rave reviews Adams is getting at Derby. King is playing regularly in the Scottish Prem but, as I've said before, so are Matty Kennedy and Marley Watkins so it's hard to know exactly what level he's at either.

Sometimes a partnership can work though and you may be right about those two as a pairing but we won't be able to judge until pre-season, by which time Adams may well have gone. It's one downside of loans, however well they go. You can't suddenly check to see how Fagan-Walcott or Tsunoda might fit into a back three here or what system, position and teammates would suit Isaak Davies, just as you can't check if Adams and King would pair up well.

As long as King is fit and ready for pre-season then he should be able to force his way in if he's good enough, whoever the manager is. If Bulut stays I'd like to think he'll be judging everyone on their merits rather than stubbornly sticking with players he's brought in. There has to be a pathway for the youngsters to come through when they're ready for first team action, of course.

A good point about how difficult it can be to judge, ive noticed you use theMarley Watkins one before and I tend to agree, theres a mixed bag up there. Would we be as excited if he was a Ross County player putting in them performances, would we even notice?

Just hoping for something really different next year.

[jon1959]

Whether it's Bulut or someone else, how many of our loaned out players do you think will be in the mix next season?

I think the full list is: Ollie Denham, Eli King, Isaak Davies, Joel Bagan, Andy Rinomhota, Ebou Adams, Ryotaro Tsunoda, Xavier Benjamin, James Crole, Malachi Fagan-Walcott, Tom Davies, Ryan Kavanagh, Sheyi Ojo, Kieron Evans, Chanka Zimba.

I think Ojo, Evans and Zimba are out of contract (not sure if there are others).

Some have had underwhelming loans.

Will the 'hot' players coming back into the fold be Eli King, Ebou Adams, Isaak Davies, Malachi Fagan-Walcott and Ryotaro Tsunoda?

Will Bulut (if he gets a new deal) use them?

(And the Academy players in and around the first team this season?)

[Loramski]

Whether it's Bulut or someone else, how many of our loaned out players do you think will be in the mix next season?

I think the full list is: Ollie Denham, Eli King, Isaak Davies, Joel Bagan, Andy Rinomhota, Ebou Adams, Ryotaro Tsunoda, Xavier Benjamin, James Crole, Malachi Fagan-Walcott, Tom Davies, Ryan Kavanagh, Sheyi Ojo, Kieron Evans, Chanka Zimba.

I think Ojo, Evans and Zimba are out of contract (not sure if there are others).

Some have had underwhelming loans.

Will the 'hot' players coming back into the fold be Eli King, Ebou Adams, Isaak Davies, Malachi Fagan-Walcott and Ryotaro Tsunoda?

Will Bulut (if he gets a new deal) use them?

(And the Academy players in and around the first team this season?)

Funnily enough, I was in the process of asking you something a couple of hours ago but my dinner was ready and you took second place. I was wondering if the club still do their own loan reports, you haven't put any up lately. It must be hard for them to put a positive spin on things.

The weird thing is, it's not so much the underwhelming loans that are the problem for me (other than the fact we've just given Joel Bagan a three year contract but he's struggling for game time in the Belgian second division). Even where the players are doing well it begs a few questions.

The situation at Dunfermline seems farcical to me. Both Fagan-Walcott and Benjamin are out of contract here at the end of the season and Fagan-Walcott was saying he just wanted to put his name out there when he arrived at Dunfermline, as though he was looking for a new club. Even if we turn round and offer him a new deal now will it be a case of once bitten twice shy for him?

Isaak Davies is going from strength to strength at Kortrijk but with the issues we've had up front it seems like we could've used him here this season and a loan spell might have been more beneficial for the younger Etete. Easy to say with hindsight though. It's been a terrific loan and, hopefully, we'll reap the benefits next season.

While it's hard to question the way we've dealt with Eli King so far, the success of his and Ebou Adams' loan spells does make you question the signing of Siopis if we've already got quality in that position. It feels that Siopis needs to start having the same kind of impact that Adams is having at Derby, especially if King (and Joel Colwill) don't make progress here and Adams moves on and becomes a successful Championship player.

[the other bob wilson]

All King can do is make a good impression while out on loan and I think he’s done that this season. One of the first things I read about Bulut after we appointed him was that he favoured players in their late twenties and I think his first season with us tends to back this up - we say Bulut doesn’t like Rubin Colwill, but given how often he uses him, and the likes of McGuinness and Etete, it’s possible that he rates them quite highly. I suppose the question is whether the likes of King, Davies and Ashford will be used when there are at least three who are around their age who Bulut appears to rank above them? I suspect he’ll consider it too much of a risk.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Tsunoda has had surgery and looks likely to miss the start of next season.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/oth...ry/ar-BB1lHj8E

[Rjk]

Tsunoda has had surgery and looks likely to miss the start of next season.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/oth...ry/ar-BB1lHj8E

that's a shame, the clips I've seen of him he looks like a good player.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

that's a shame, the clips I've seen of him he looks like a good player.

Seems to have done well in Belgium. Would have been good for (insert manager's name here) to take a look at him in pre-season. Without that they can't assume he's good enough for the championship, and won't know when he'll be match fit, so where does that leave him?

[Loramski]

Seems to have done well in Belgium. Would have been good for (insert manager's name here) to take a look at him in pre-season. Without that they can't assume he's good enough for the championship, and won't know when he'll be match fit, so where does that leave him?

Exactly. You're always playing catch up if you miss pre-season, Isaak Davies was saying that about the 22-23 season for him.

I'd seen that picture of Tsunoda being taken off at the time. (It seemed like I was being asked for £350 if I wanted to use it which didn't represent value for money to me, maybe I was just being tight). I thought it odd he was being stretchered off for a hamstring injury but my lad said it might be a routine thing over there. Now I know why. Nightmare for him.

[Loramski]

A couple of non-league updates.

Kieron Evans played the 90 minutes on Monday as Gateshead beat league winners Chesterfield to qualify for the play offs. He missed the games either side of that so it seems like he's being nursed along a bit up there for some reason. With the play-offs and an FA Trophy final coming up, Kieron has a chance to show he can deliver in big games so hopefully he's fully fit.

A rare 90 minutes for Ryan Kavanagh tonight as Truro's epic season draws to a close. They're safe from relegation now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68832968

Tonight's 0-0 draw was their ninth game so far in April and the eighth in a row at 'home'. They've been playing their home games at Gloucester, the one away game at Chippenham was actually nearer to Truro. They've travelled over 3,500 miles so far in April with one game left to play, a 575 mile round trip to Dartford. Plenty of reasons to admire them, the size of their carbon footprint isn't one of them though.

One other quick thing about Truro. If Maidstone were still on a high after beating Ipswich 2-1 in January in front of more than 27.000 at Portman Road then last Saturday should finally have brought them back down to earth. Truro beat them 3-1 in front of a crowd of 198.

[the other bob wilson]

A couple of non-league updates.

Kieron Evans played the 90 minutes on Monday as Gateshead beat league winners Chesterfield to qualify for the play offs. He missed the games either side of that so it seems like he's being nursed along a bit up there for some reason. With the play-offs and an FA Trophy final coming up, Kieron has a chance to show he can deliver in big games so hopefully he's fully fit.

A rare 90 minutes for Ryan Kavanagh tonight as Truro's epic season draws to a close. They're safe from relegation now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68832968

Tonight's 0-0 draw was their ninth game so far in April and the eighth in a row at 'home'. They've been playing their home games at Gloucester, the one away game at Chippenham was actually nearer to Truro. They've travelled over 3,500 miles so far in April with one game left to play, a 575 mile round trip to Dartford. Plenty of reasons to admire them, the size of their carbon footprint isn't one of them though.

One other quick thing about Truro. If Maidstone were still on a high after beating Ipswich 2-1 in January in front of more than 27.000 at Portman Road then last Saturday should finally have brought them back down to earth. Truro beat them 3-1 in front of a crowd of 198.

So, the team furthest to the south in the Vanarama League South have been playing their home games at the ground of a team that plays in the Vanarama League North? I see.

[jon1959]

A bit of a tangent this, but just read a report on Stuart O'Keefe (formerly of this manor) being released by Aldershot Town, and at the end there is a comment: 'Aldershot might have counted themselves unlucky not to be playing in the top six given Gateshead had to forfeit their place as they did not have a '10-year security of tenure' on their ground.'

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/f...f-city-4605063

As Gateshead is one of the clubs we are tracking on this thread, I thought I would share.

[Loramski]

A bit of a tangent this, but just read a report on Stuart O'Keefe (formerly of this manor) being released by Aldershot Town, and at the end there is a comment: 'Aldershot might have counted themselves unlucky not to be playing in the top six given Gateshead had to forfeit their place as they did not have a '10-year security of tenure' on their ground.'

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/f...f-city-4605063

As Gateshead is one of the clubs we are tracking on this thread, I thought I would share.

Some issue with the local Council. All that effort to make the play-offs then they weren't allowed to take their place. They've still got the FA Trophy final in May but it's a crazy situation.

[Loramski]

An important win for Kortrijk tonight as they beat RWDM 1-0 away to move within two points of them in their bid to escape relegation with two games left in the play-offs. 90 minutes but no goal for Isaak Davies. If Kortrijk can overhaul RWDM then they could be playing Joel Bagan's Zuite Waregem for the final place in next season's Belgian Pro League. Joel came off the bench in a 1-1 draw with Lommel yesterday.

Ebou Adams helped Derby to promotion with a 2-0 win over Carlisle. He also won their goal of the season award with his finish against Blackpool. Following Ollie Tanner's example, he won it with his only goal of the season. There's an interview with him here. The comments underneath seem to sum up the fans' feeling for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UclWyCc80xE

Not much else going on. 90 minutes for Eli King as Ross County lost 2-0 to Livingston, 90 minutes for Ollie Denham at Sligo and for Malachi Fagan-Walcott as he continues to impress at Dunfermline. No squad places for Tom Davies, James Crole or Xaviar Benjamin in Scotland.

There's an interview here with Fagan-Walcott about playing with lads like Cole Palmer and Jude Bellingham at England under-15 level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UclWyCc80xE

[jon1959]

An important win for Kortrijk tonight as they beat RWDM 1-0 away to move within two points of them in their bid to escape relegation with two games left in the play-offs. 90 minutes but no goal for Isaak Davies. If Kortrijk can overhaul RWDM then they could be playing Joel Bagan's Zuite Waregem for the final place in next season's Belgian Pro League. Joel came off the bench in a 1-1 draw with Lommel yesterday.

Ebou Adams helped Derby to promotion with a 2-0 win over Carlisle. He also won their goal of the season award with his finish against Blackpool. Following Ollie Tanner's example, he won it with his only goal of the season. There's an interview with him here. The comments underneath seem to sum up the fans' feeling for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UclWyCc80xE

Not much else going on. 90 minutes for Eli King as Ross County lost 2-0 to Livingston, 90 minutes for Ollie Denham at Sligo and for Malachi Fagan-Walcott as he continues to impress at Dunfermline. No squad places for Tom Davies, James Crole or Xaviar Benjamin in Scotland.

There's an interview here with Fagan-Walcott about playing with lads like Cole Palmer and Jude Bellingham at England under-15 level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UclWyCc80xE

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

90 mins for both King and Davies today.
Big win for Kortrijk puts them out of the automatic relegation places with 1 match to go, against already safe Charleroi. They need to match or better Molenbeek's result against already down Eupen next Saturday to secure a playoff against a team from the division below.

[Loramski]

Nice article here on Gateshead as they prepare for their FA Trophy final on Saturday. Hopefully Kieron Evans will be involved.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spor...y-its-29135834

Eli King and Isaak Davies should be playing on Saturday afternoon too as Ross County and Kortrijk are both in action.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Assist for Eli, Ross lost 5-1 though.
Kortrijk up against it - 2-0 down at half time. Might need a favour from Eupen against Molenbeek in the other match to have a chance of staying up.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Now 3-1, Davies with the Kortrijk goal.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Now 3-1, Davies with the Kortrijk goal.

https://twitter.com/TRSportzm/status...50041540247601

[bluesp]

Gateshead win the FA Trophy on pelanties. Evans on after 75 minutes and scored his pelanty in the shootout

[severncity]

Gateshead win the FA Trophy on pelanties. Evans on after 75 minutes and scored his pelanty in the shootout

I watched the entire match. Evans did make a difference when he came on. Gateshead should have been awarded two penalties before the shootout and were denied by bad refereeing.

I felt for Solihull Moors though as this was their second shootout loss at Wembley in 6 days.

[Loramski]

I watched the entire match. Evans did make a difference when he came on. Gateshead should have been awarded two penalties before the shootout and were denied by bad refereeing.

I felt for Solihull Moors though as this was their second shootout loss at Wembley in 6 days.

Gateshead weren't even allowed to take their place in the play-offs so it was going to be tough for whoever lost. You're right though, twice in a week is a bitter pill indeed.

Evans looked lively and should've been given a penalty from what I could make out. He didn't quite have his shooting boots on though and I feared for him when he stepped up to take the penalty to keep Gateshead in it. He buried it calmly enough though, fair play. I wonder what the future holds for him?

[the other bob wilson]

Gateshead win the FA Trophy on pelanties. Evans on after 75 minutes and scored his pelanty in the shootout

Got to feel for Solihull, has any other team lost penalty shoot outs in finals on successive weekends?

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Gateshead win the FA Trophy on pelanties. Evans on after 75 minutes and scored his pelanty in the shootout

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