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Thread: Unusual City stat.

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    Unusual City stat.

    Just came across this.

    In 28/29 season City conceded the fewest goals in the First Division, but finished bottom and were relegated.

    http://www.englishfootballstats.co.u...es/1928-29.htm

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    That is a very unusual stat. Unlikely that’s happened any other times surely?

    A similar stat is Yeovil Town in 2005 in League 2, finished the season with only three other teams conceding more goals than them, and yet they won the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal View Post
    That is a very unusual stat. Unlikely that’s happened any other times surely?

    A similar stat is Yeovil Town in 2005 in League 2, finished the season with only three other teams conceding more goals than them, and yet they won the league.
    In fact they finished first, and conceded more goals than the team that finished bottom!

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    Re: Unusual City stat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Just came across this.

    In 28/29 season City conceded the fewest goals in the First Division, but finished bottom and were relegated.

    http://www.englishfootballstats.co.u...es/1928-29.htm
    Also, we were the lowest scorers in the league despite winning our first home game against Burnley 7-0

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    Re: Unusual City stat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Just came across this.

    In 28/29 season City conceded the fewest goals in the First Division, but finished bottom and were relegated.

    http://www.englishfootballstats.co.u...es/1928-29.htm
    Some weird numbers at that time. Teams scored an average of 77 goals that season. Last season in the top flight teams scored an average of 54. We kept only 8 clean sheets that season - we've kept fewer in only 18 other seasons, so it wasn't so much that we had a great defence. We failed to score in 17 games that season - we've only failed to score in more in 6 other seasons. No other side scored fewer than us in the entire league that season. It's one of our feeblest seasons in front of goal, made all the more feeble by the number of goals were being scored at the time.

    It's the lowest number of goals we've conceded in a season and been relegated. We conceded 61 in 1981/82 and 62 in 1974/75 and went down. We also conceded 62 in 1959/60 but won promotion!

    Leicester City are the only side to have been relegated, in 2007/08 (to League 1), having conceded less than a goal a game, conceding 45 from 46 matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal View Post
    In fact they finished first, and conceded more goals than the team that finished bottom!
    Peterborough won promotion in 2011 from League 1 conceding an incredible 75 goals, but scored 106. Only Bristol Rovers conceded more that season.

    If you're interested, Wimbledon hold the record for most goals conceded to win promotion, with 76 in 1983/84 from Division 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Peterborough won promotion in 2011 from League 1 conceding an incredible 75 goals, but scored 106. Only Bristol Rovers conceded more that season.

    If you're interested, Wimbledon hold the record for most goals conceded to win promotion, with 76 in 1983/84 from Division 3.
    Terry Bly, who seems to be ignored in the goal scoring stakes, scored 52 in that Peterborough promotion season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Terry Bly, who seems to be ignored in the goal scoring stakes, scored 52 in that Peterborough promotion season.
    Not sure he did. He died in 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Terry Bly, who seems to be ignored in the goal scoring stakes, scored 52 in that Peterborough promotion season.
    People are always telling me I play like him

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    Re: Unusual City stat.

    When Huddersfield were promoted to the Premier league in 2017 (via the playoffs) they had a goal difference of -2. The won 10 more matches than they lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    When Huddersfield were promoted to the Premier league in 2017 (via the playoffs) they had a goal difference of -2. The won 10 more matches than they lost.
    Good stat and thought it worth exploring. That's the only time a side has ever won promotion with a negative goal difference.

    Brighton had a GD of -6 in 1991 but made the playoff final, losing out on promotion to the top flight after defeat to Notts County.

    Brentford had a GD of -3 in 2005 but lost in the playoff semis to Sheffield Wednesday.

    Only 11 sides have managed top 6 finishes in the bottom 3 divisions and had a negative goal difference. In 1973 Port Vale finished 6th with a goal difference of -13!

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    In the 1992/93 season Norwich finished 3rd in the premier league, with a goal difference of -4

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    Might have this wrong but when Blackpool were relegated from division 2 In 1978 Bob Hatton was the leading goalscorer in the division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Shot Hamish. View Post
    Might have this wrong but when Blackpool were relegated from division 2 In 1978 Bob Hatton was the leading goalscorer in the division.
    Don’t think you have, there’s a Blackpool game from that season against Blackburn in which he scored four knocking about on You Tube and the commentator said he’d already scored three hat tricks. I think the game was played with about two months of the season left and Hatton was already on something like twenty two goals.

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    Re: Unusual City stat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Good stat and thought it worth exploring. That's the only time a side has ever won promotion with a negative goal difference.

    Brighton had a GD of -6 in 1991 but made the playoff final, losing out on promotion to the top flight after defeat to Notts County.

    Brentford had a GD of -3 in 2005 but lost in the playoff semis to Sheffield Wednesday.

    Only 11 sides have managed top 6 finishes in the bottom 3 divisions and had a negative goal difference. In 1973 Port Vale finished 6th with a goal difference of -13!
    All but 3 of Huddersfield's 25 victories were by 1 goal.
    Also we did the double over them that season including winning 3-0 away in the final game, so in some way we are responsible for this stat.

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    Re: Unusual City stat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    Just came across this.

    In 28/29 season City conceded the fewest goals in the First Division, but finished bottom and were relegated.

    http://www.englishfootballstats.co.u...es/1928-29.htm
    I mentioned that unusual stat many moons ago on here. Probably my favourite although the three consecutive 2-1 away wins at Leeds in the FA Cup run it close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodybluebird View Post
    I mentioned that unusual stat many moons ago on here. Probably my favourite although the three consecutive 2-1 away wins at Leeds in the FA Cup run it close.
    I meant three 2-1 away wins in consecutive years

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    All but 3 of Huddersfield's 25 victories were by 1 goal.
    Also we did the double over them that season including winning 3-0 away in the final game, so in some way we are responsible for this stat.
    Didn't they rest virtually their entire regular starting XI for that as well?

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    I've often wondered whether goal difference would be a better way of running a league than points for winning and drawing.

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    Didn’t Hull get promoted to the premier with a minus goal difference ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Didn't they rest virtually their entire regular starting XI for that as well?
    Probably. They also went down to 10 men early on when Danny Ward was sent off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I've often wondered whether goal difference would be a better way of running a league than points for winning and drawing.
    I think it would make individual games, particularly early in the season pretty unsatisfying.

    It's easier to stop the other team from scoring than scoring yourself, so defence will be more highly valued.

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    An example that comes to mind.

    Say you're 1-0 down with 5 minutes left. In points for a win, going for the equaliser and earning a point far outweighs conceding a second and still being on 0 so it's worth it.

    But with only goal difference, going from -1 to 0 is the same as going from -1 to -2. It's equally good/bad. There's not more to gain for trying to equalise than trying to not make your result worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    An example that comes to mind.

    Say you're 1-0 down with 5 minutes left. In points for a win, going for the equaliser and earning a point far outweighs conceding a second and still being on 0 so it's worth it.

    But with only goal difference, going from -1 to 0 is the same as going from -1 to -2. It's equally good/bad. There's not more to gain for trying to equalise than trying to not make your result worse.
    Conversely though there's as much to play for in games where a team is comfortably winning - if you're 3-0 up there wouldn't be teams taking their foot off the gas as they could get 5 or 6 points, and the losing team could get points back as well

    I think it would promote attacking play

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    Re: Unusual City stat.

    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Didn’t Hull get promoted to the premier with a minus goal difference ?
    No, the worst GD they had was +9 in their last 3 promotion seasons.

    In 2007/08 they went up through the playoffs with a +18 GD. Bristol City had challenged for much of that season with a negative goal difference, reversed on the final day of the season with a 3-0 win to give them a GD of +1.

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