Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
I want Starmer to win primarily because the Tories have dragged politics so far into the gutter over the last few years that they need to go. There were always scandals and politicians that were in it for themselves but the near daily dog whistle shit stirring and blatant lying is on another level. No guarantees that will improve but I have a feeling it will.

It's a struggle to see what labour party you want sludge. From memory you hated Corbyn and both the 2017/19 manifestos, now you hate the fact that they have a strategy to not commit to policy (because it tends to get picked apart in the press). Struggling to see what you mean when you say that people deserve better.

My political preference is absolutely not clouding my judgement here, all evidence points towards a decent sized labour win and suggestions that the Rochdale result is a sign of some massive shift or problem for Starmer are misguided based on everything else we are seeing.
People deserve a decent opposition

We clearly havnt got that as you yourself allude to

I don't think the high ratings in the polls are transferring onto the ballot box

I want the Tories out but a lot of voters seem to be lukewarm , incredible given the mess we are in