Dark Clouds Gathering over America?

[Canton Kev]

Correct, it passed over Turkey on 11th August, then less than 1 week later this happened:-

17th Auhust 1999
A 7.4-magnitude 1999 İzmit earthquake named earthquake strikes İzmit, Turkey, killing more than 17,000 and injuring 44,000.

So first it’s not comparable to a coast to coast event but now it is because a week later an earthquake killed 17,000 people?

What about other notable earthquakes? The 2004 Boxing Day earthquake that killed over 200,000 people was 5 weeks after a total solar eclipse in Antarctica.

The 2010 Haiti earthquake that killed 160,000 people happened 4 days before a solar eclipse in Africa. The most recent before that was 6 months before. Was this a very delayed reaction or a preemptive attack by the moon?

The 2008 Sichaun earthquake, with 90,000 deaths, was more than 3 months after a partial eclipse.

The earthquake in Turkey last year with 60,000 deaths was over 4 months after a partial eclipse in north Europe and Asia.

The 2005 Pakistan earthquake, with 90,000 deaths, was 5 days after a partial eclipse in Pakistan itself.

If the last one was caused in part by a partial eclipse, why don’t total eclipses cause death tolls that (excuse the pun) eclipse any of the others?

What’s the correlation between solar eclipses and Cardiff City wins? Or Cardiff City wins and subsequent earthquakes? Food for thought.

[truthpaste]

So first it’s not comparable to a coast to coast event but now it is because a week later an earthquake killed 17,000 people?

What about other notable earthquakes? The 2004 Boxing Day earthquake that killed over 200,000 people was 5 weeks after a total solar eclipse in Antarctica.

The 2010 Haiti earthquake that killed 160,000 people happened 4 days before a solar eclipse in Africa. The most recent before that was 6 months before. Was this a very delayed reaction or a preemptive attack by the moon?

The 2008 Sichaun earthquake, with 90,000 deaths, was more than 3 months after a partial eclipse.

The earthquake in Turkey last year with 60,000 deaths was over 4 months after a partial eclipse in north Europe and Asia.

The 2005 Pakistan earthquake, with 90,000 deaths, was 5 days after a partial eclipse in Pakistan itself.

If the last one was caused in part by a partial eclipse, why don’t total eclipses cause death tolls that (excuse the pun) eclipse any of the others?

What’s the correlation between solar eclipses and Cardiff City wins? Or Cardiff City wins and subsequent earthquakes? Food for thought.

All research eventually ends up back in the Championship eh, fascinating!

In the end the way we view such phenomena will be determined by our world view.
If Cardiff City is our world then we will link anything to successive away wins, including the underwear we are wearing.

If our world view involves an almighty being who can choreograph every single astronomical event for any moment in history, then the equation changes considerably.

Some of the previews on the 2024 eclipse have noted that while the 2017 pathway was close to seven places called Salem (meaning peace), on this occasion the pathway is close to seven places with the name Nineveh. Even passing another place called Nineveh in Canada before it heads out across the Atlantic.
The number seven speaks of completion and appears many times in the last book of the Bible, Revelation.

If you attended Sunday School (a comment mainly to people over 60), then you will recall a guy called Jonah heading to the great City of Ninevah (the NYC of it's era) where the people were pagan and not the least bit interested in an Almighty Creator God; not altogether different to most people across most of America, Europe & Asia today.
Jonah had been asked to visit this City and tell them all to repent, and if they didn't then they would perish.
God would destroy their entire City - the full story is HERE.

The remarkable part of the story isn't so much that Jonah hated the Ninevites and ran off in the opposite direction to try and ignore God, paying for a trip on a ship which would take him well away from the City. Neither was it that God saw to it that He was thrown overboard and swallowed by a great fish, nor was it the fact that he was spewed out onto the beach a short walk from Nineveh; it was this, that having heard Jonah, everyone in Nineveh without exception, actually repented!

But why? Why did they listen and respond to a guy smelling like fish and talking about a God they knew very little about?

Until recently it was a bit of a head scratcher, but now we all have access to free Astronomical Software* we can now discover what these former generations experienced in the skies. So using the Hebrew calendar they can work out when Jonah arrived in Ninevah, and shortly before his arrival Nineveh had experienced a total solar eclipse. These were always seen to be a sign of warning in most cultures, so when Jonah appeared, they were primed for his preaching, and the entire City - the people of Nineveh believed God's message. The Bible records it like this:-

"So they decided that everyone should fast, and all the people, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth to show that they had repented" - Jonah 3v5.

While this may be a warning to the USA in their year of choosing their next leader, there may be a more permanent 'leader' that they (and the rest of the world) should be trusting in?

We all get to cast our vote, and then live with the consequences.

[jon1959]

All research eventually ends up back in the Championship eh, fascinating!

In the end the way we view such phenomena will be determined by our world view.
If Cardiff City is our world then we will link anything to successive away wins, including the underwear we are wearing.

If our world view involves an almighty being who can choreograph every single astronomical event for any moment in history, then the equation changes considerably.

Some of the previews on the 2024 eclipse have noted that while the 2017 pathway was close to seven places called Salem (meaning peace), on this occasion the pathway is close to seven places with the name Nineveh. Even passing another place called Nineveh in Canada before it heads out across the Atlantic.
The number seven speaks of completion and appears many times in the last book of the Bible, Revelation.

If you attended Sunday School (a comment mainly to people over 60), then you will recall a guy called Jonah heading to the great City of Ninevah (the NYC of it's era) where the people were pagan and not the least bit interested in an Almighty Creator God; not altogether different to most people across most of America, Europe & Asia today.
Jonah had been asked to visit this City and tell them all to repent, and if they didn't then they would perish.
God would destroy their entire City - the full story is HERE.

The remarkable part of the story isn't so much that Jonah hated the Ninevites and ran off in the opposite direction to try and ignore God, paying for a trip on a ship which would take him well away from the City. Neither was it that God saw to it that He was thrown overboard and swallowed by a great fish, nor was it the fact that he was spewed out onto the beach a short walk from Nineveh; it was this, that having heard Jonah, everyone in Nineveh without exception, actually repented!

But why? Why did they listen and respond to a guy smelling like fish and talking about a God they knew very little about?

Until recently it was a bit of a head scratcher, but now we all have access to free Astronomical Software* we can now discover what these former generations experienced in the skies. So using the Hebrew calendar they can work out when Jonah arrived in Ninevah, and shortly before his arrival Nineveh had experienced a total solar eclipse. These were always seen to be a sign of warning in most cultures, so when Jonah appeared, they were primed for his preaching, and the entire City - the people of Nineveh believed God's message. The Bible records it like this:-

"So they decided that everyone should fast, and all the people, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth to show that they had repented" - Jonah 3v5.

While this may be a warning to the USA in their year of choosing their next leader, there may be a more permanent 'leader' that they (and the rest of the world) should be trusting in?

We all get to cast our vote, and then live with the consequences.

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[stevo]

All research eventually ends up back in the Championship eh, fascinating!

In the end the way we view such phenomena will be determined by our world view.
If Cardiff City is our world then we will link anything to successive away wins, including the underwear we are wearing.

If our world view involves an almighty being who can choreograph every single astronomical event for any moment in history, then the equation changes considerably.

Some of the previews on the 2024 eclipse have noted that while the 2017 pathway was close to seven places called Salem (meaning peace), on this occasion the pathway is close to seven places with the name Nineveh. Even passing another place called Nineveh in Canada before it heads out across the Atlantic.
The number seven speaks of completion and appears many times in the last book of the Bible, Revelation.

If you attended Sunday School (a comment mainly to people over 60), then you will recall a guy called Jonah heading to the great City of Ninevah (the NYC of it's era) where the people were pagan and not the least bit interested in an Almighty Creator God; not altogether different to most people across most of America, Europe & Asia today.
Jonah had been asked to visit this City and tell them all to repent, and if they didn't then they would perish.
God would destroy their entire City - the full story is HERE.

The remarkable part of the story isn't so much that Jonah hated the Ninevites and ran off in the opposite direction to try and ignore God, paying for a trip on a ship which would take him well away from the City. Neither was it that God saw to it that He was thrown overboard and swallowed by a great fish, nor was it the fact that he was spewed out onto the beach a short walk from Nineveh; it was this, that having heard Jonah, everyone in Nineveh without exception, actually repented!

But why? Why did they listen and respond to a guy smelling like fish and talking about a God they knew very little about?

Until recently it was a bit of a head scratcher, but now we all have access to free Astronomical Software* we can now discover what these former generations experienced in the skies. So using the Hebrew calendar they can work out when Jonah arrived in Ninevah, and shortly before his arrival Nineveh had experienced a total solar eclipse. These were always seen to be a sign of warning in most cultures, so when Jonah appeared, they were primed for his preaching, and the entire City - the people of Nineveh believed God's message. The Bible records it like this:-

"So they decided that everyone should fast, and all the people, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth to show that they had repented" - Jonah 3v5.

While this may be a warning to the USA in their year of choosing their next leader, there may be a more permanent 'leader' that they (and the rest of the world) should be trusting in?

We all get to cast our vote, and then live with the consequences.

Are you on something?

I can’t decide who’s worse - you or Heathblue.

[jeepster]

All research eventually ends up back in the Championship eh, fascinating!

In the end the way we view such phenomena will be determined by our world view.
If Cardiff City is our world then we will link anything to successive away wins, including the underwear we are wearing.

If our world view involves an almighty being who can choreograph every single astronomical event for any moment in history, then the equation changes considerably.

Some of the previews on the 2024 eclipse have noted that while the 2017 pathway was close to seven places called Salem (meaning peace), on this occasion the pathway is close to seven places with the name Nineveh. Even passing another place called Nineveh in Canada before it heads out across the Atlantic.
The number seven speaks of completion and appears many times in the last book of the Bible, Revelation.

If you attended Sunday School (a comment mainly to people over 60), then you will recall a guy called Jonah heading to the great City of Ninevah (the NYC of it's era) where the people were pagan and not the least bit interested in an Almighty Creator God; not altogether different to most people across most of America, Europe & Asia today.
Jonah had been asked to visit this City and tell them all to repent, and if they didn't then they would perish.
God would destroy their entire City - the full story is HERE.

The remarkable part of the story isn't so much that Jonah hated the Ninevites and ran off in the opposite direction to try and ignore God, paying for a trip on a ship which would take him well away from the City. Neither was it that God saw to it that He was thrown overboard and swallowed by a great fish, nor was it the fact that he was spewed out onto the beach a short walk from Nineveh; it was this, that having heard Jonah, everyone in Nineveh without exception, actually repented!

But why? Why did they listen and respond to a guy smelling like fish and talking about a God they knew very little about?

Until recently it was a bit of a head scratcher, but now we all have access to free Astronomical Software* we can now discover what these former generations experienced in the skies. So using the Hebrew calendar they can work out when Jonah arrived in Ninevah, and shortly before his arrival Nineveh had experienced a total solar eclipse. These were always seen to be a sign of warning in most cultures, so when Jonah appeared, they were primed for his preaching, and the entire City - the people of Nineveh believed God's message. The Bible records it like this:-

"So they decided that everyone should fast, and all the people, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth to show that they had repented" - Jonah 3v5.

While this may be a warning to the USA in their year of choosing their next leader, there may be a more permanent 'leader' that they (and the rest of the world) should be trusting in?

We all get to cast our vote, and then live with the consequences.

What a leader kill every person who does not beleive in him,
a bit like Putin.

[truthpaste]

What a leader kill every person who does not beleive in him,
a bit like Putin.

The most short sighted comment of the year (so far).
Let's forget about where the people of Nineveh were heading before and then after the visit of Jonah.
Another fast food drive-thru approach to thinking about what really matters.
Like City at 1.25pm, there is plenty of room for improvement.

[jeepster]

The most short sighted comment of the year (so far).
Let's forget about where the people of Nineveh were heading before and then after the visit of Jonah.
Another fast food drive-thru approach to thinking about what really matters.
Like City at 1.25pm, there is plenty of room for improvement.

Wow i am top of the league.

[Canton Kev]

Well let's see how this example stacks up against the figures in Europe per year throughout the 20th Century.

We discover HERE that in the 20th century, earthquakes accounted for more than 200,000 deaths and over 250 billion Euros in direct and indirect losses in Europe (EM-DAT).

That means an average of 2000 deaths each year between 1900AD and 2000AD throughout the whole of Europe.

So 17,000 deaths just 6 days after the Total Eclipse is certainly significant.

What about the other 183,000 deaths?

[truthpaste]

What about the other 183,000 deaths?

What ABOUT the other 183,000 deaths?
If you take the time to compose an entire question which would include context and clarity then I'd be able to address it.
Thanks.

[Canton Kev]

All research eventually ends up back in the Championship eh, fascinating!

In the end the way we view such phenomena will be determined by our world view.
If Cardiff City is our world then we will link anything to successive away wins, including the underwear we are wearing.

If our world view involves an almighty being who can choreograph every single astronomical event for any moment in history, then the equation changes considerably.

Some of the previews on the 2024 eclipse have noted that while the 2017 pathway was close to seven places called Salem (meaning peace), on this occasion the pathway is close to seven places with the name Nineveh. Even passing another place called Nineveh in Canada before it heads out across the Atlantic.
The number seven speaks of completion and appears many times in the last book of the Bible, Revelation.

If you attended Sunday School (a comment mainly to people over 60), then you will recall a guy called Jonah heading to the great City of Ninevah (the NYC of it's era) where the people were pagan and not the least bit interested in an Almighty Creator God; not altogether different to most people across most of America, Europe & Asia today.
Jonah had been asked to visit this City and tell them all to repent, and if they didn't then they would perish.
God would destroy their entire City - the full story is HERE.

The remarkable part of the story isn't so much that Jonah hated the Ninevites and ran off in the opposite direction to try and ignore God, paying for a trip on a ship which would take him well away from the City. Neither was it that God saw to it that He was thrown overboard and swallowed by a great fish, nor was it the fact that he was spewed out onto the beach a short walk from Nineveh; it was this, that having heard Jonah, everyone in Nineveh without exception, actually repented!

But why? Why did they listen and respond to a guy smelling like fish and talking about a God they knew very little about?

Until recently it was a bit of a head scratcher, but now we all have access to free Astronomical Software* we can now discover what these former generations experienced in the skies. So using the Hebrew calendar they can work out when Jonah arrived in Ninevah, and shortly before his arrival Nineveh had experienced a total solar eclipse. These were always seen to be a sign of warning in most cultures, so when Jonah appeared, they were primed for his preaching, and the entire City - the people of Nineveh believed God's message. The Bible records it like this:-

"So they decided that everyone should fast, and all the people, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth to show that they had repented" - Jonah 3v5.

While this may be a warning to the USA in their year of choosing their next leader, there may be a more permanent 'leader' that they (and the rest of the world) should be trusting in?

We all get to cast our vote, and then live with the consequences.

Cool story. Wanna try answering my post next time?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Who needs to know about plate tectonics and astronomy when we have God threatening to punish the USA by arranging eclipses that have been predicted by scientists for decades?
'Tis a pity that the Almighty is more interested in American politics after totally ignoring the holocaust.
What incredibly laughable gibberish.

[Citizen's Nephew]

You’ve got to wonder where all this kind of bollox ends……oh….wait….. https://apple.news/AMZvxibPkTXq0Vla6A_kFqQ

[Canton Kev]

What ABOUT the other 183,000 deaths?
If you take the time to compose an entire question which would include context and clarity then I'd be able to address it.
Thanks.

Read my above post you previously ignored. If that’s too much effort, what about the other 183,000 deaths? Were they the result of solar eclipses? If yes, how? If not, why is the earthquake that killed 17,000 people the only one?

[truthpaste]

Read my above post you previously ignored. If that’s too much effort, what about the other 183,000 deaths? Were they the result of solar eclipses? If yes, how? If not, why is the earthquake that killed 17,000 people the only one?

Thanks for the effort.
Now why:-

1. Are you assuming it's the only one?
2. Do you think I've got the time to investigate 100 years of data?
3. Do I get the impression you want all the data to confirm your hope that there is no God ASAP?

[Canton Kev]

Thanks for the effort.
Now why:-

1. Are you assuming it's the only one?
2. Do you think I've got the time to investigate 100 years of data?
3. Do I get the impression you want all the data to confirm your hope that there is no God ASAP?

You’ve used one example to imply there’s a connection, presumably you’ve got more examples to make such wild claims?

It took me maybe 2 minutes to come up with 5 of the deadliest earthquakes in the 21st century, the most recent previous solar eclipse and its location. It shouldn’t be too hard for you to come up with some basic data.

I don’t believe in god. I’m not fussed about that debate. Claiming that god will cause an earthquake under a solar eclipse because the Americans chose the wrong president isn’t going to change that. I’d rather focus on the “solar eclipses cause earthquakes” topic we’ve found ourselves on.

[truthpaste]

You’ve used one example to imply there’s a connection, presumably you’ve got more examples to make such wild claims?

It took me maybe 2 minutes to come up with 5 of the deadliest earthquakes in the 21st century, the most recent previous solar eclipse and its location. It shouldn’t be too hard for you to come up with some basic data.

I don’t believe in god. I’m not fussed about that debate. Claiming that god will cause an earthquake under a solar eclipse because the Americans chose the wrong president isn’t going to change that. I’d rather focus on the “solar eclipses cause earthquakes” topic we’ve found ourselves on.

You’ve used one example to imply there’s a connection, presumably you’ve got more examples to make such wild claims?

It took me maybe 2 minutes to come up with 5 of the deadliest earthquakes in the 21st century, the most recent previous solar eclipse and its location. It shouldn’t be too hard for you to come up with some basic data.

I don’t believe in god. I’m not fussed about that debate. Claiming that god will cause an earthquake under a solar eclipse because the Americans chose the wrong president isn’t going to change that. I’d rather focus on the “solar eclipses cause earthquakes” topic we’ve found ourselves on.

I don’t believe in god. I’m not fussed about that debate - you say.
In other words, I'm uncomfortable thinking about Almighty God and I'd rather not focus on my faith, which I am certain isn't religious!
A familiar position, and the denial that comes with it.

As for the claim, "Claiming that god will cause an earthquake under a solar eclipse because the Americans chose the wrong president" is not the issue and it never was. This is more to do with a nation founded on Biblical principles turning against those principles and therefore against God.

I'm certain that you will think this has nothing whatsoever to do with yourself and it won't impact you in any way, and this is where we differ, greatly.

Lastly, why do you think this isssue related to 1999 is a 'wild claim' (?). The average amount of deaths across the WHOLE of Europe in the 20th Century from quakes was less then 39 people per week. Yet in less than one week 17,000 people perished due to a major quake in a country darkened by that total eclipse. If you are so willingly blind that you can't see anything out of the ordinary in that, then why should I spend more time trying to demonstrate something you wish to remain in denial about?

[lardy]

I don’t believe in god. I’m not fussed about that debate - you say.
In other words, I'm uncomfortable thinking about Almighty God and I'd rather not focus on my faith, which I am certain isn't religious!
A familiar position, and the denial that comes with it.

As for the claim, "Claiming that god will cause an earthquake under a solar eclipse because the Americans chose the wrong president" is not the issue and it never was. This is more to do with a nation founded on Biblical principles turning against those principles and therefore against God.

I'm certain that you will think this has nothing whatsoever to do with yourself and it won't impact you in any way, and this is where we differ, greatly.

Lastly, why do you think this isssue related to 1999 is a 'wild claim' (?). The average amount of deaths across the WHOLE of Europe in the 20th Century from quakes was less then 39 people per week. Yet in less than one week 17,000 people perished due to a major quake in a country darkened by that total eclipse. If you are so willingly blind that you can't see anything out of the ordinary in that, then why should I spend more time trying to demonstrate something you wish to remain in denial about?

This is a genuinely astonishing interpretation of statistics.

The reason the average number of deaths in Europe is low is because it's rare. Two of the 25 biggest 20th century earthquakes by fatality (globally) were in Italy, and it's a whole other debate as to whether the Izmit 1999 earthquake was in Europe or not, but for your argument let's say it was. That's just three out of 25, if anyone can find a longer list than this then please share and we'll see if that is the trend or not. I would imagine it is as Europe is mostly safely inside the Eurasian Plate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_...ry_earthquakes

The majority of European earthquake deaths (132,000 out of 202,000) happened in 1908, 1915, and 1999. It makes absolutely no sense at all to make this a weekly average, as if it were like road deaths.

There were 71 total eclipses globally in the 20th century. I'm not intending to look through every one of them, so I just checked the years. In 1908, one went over the Pacific from the Marshall Islands to Costa Rica (not near Europe); in 1915, one went from Australia to Japan (not near Europe); and a second in 1915 was also over the Pacific and only visible from Japan. And of course in 1999, one went from a little bit of Cornwall, over Turkey, and on its way to Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_20th_century

So that's one example I can find, and that's not even the X that you talk about in the opening post. If there was a correlation, there would be more examples. And let's be honest, a scientist would have spotted it by now as earthquake prediction is notoriously inexact.

[truthpaste]

This is a genuinely astonishing interpretation of statistics.

The reason the average number of deaths in Europe is low is because it's rare. Two of the 25 biggest 20th century earthquakes by fatality (globally) were in Italy, and it's a whole other debate as to whether the Izmit 1999 earthquake was in Europe or not, but for your argument let's say it was. That's just three out of 25, if anyone can find a longer list than this then please share and we'll see if that is the trend or not. I would imagine it is as Europe is mostly safely inside the Eurasian Plate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_...ry_earthquakes

The majority of European earthquake deaths (132,000 out of 202,000) happened in 1908, 1915, and 1999. It makes absolutely no sense at all to make this a weekly average, as if it were like road deaths.

There were 71 total eclipses globally in the 20th century. I'm not intending to look through every one of them, so I just checked the years. In 1908, one went over the Pacific from the Marshall Islands to Costa Rica (not near Europe); in 1915, one went from Australia to Japan (not near Europe); and a second in 1915 was also over the Pacific and only visible from Japan. And of course in 1999, one went from a little bit of Cornwall, over Turkey, and on its way to Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_20th_century

So that's one example I can find, and that's not even the X that you talk about in the opening post. If there was a correlation, there would be more examples. And let's be honest, a scientist would have spotted it by now as earthquake prediction is notoriously inexact.

A scientist!
Yes, we've just had 4 years of 'following the science' and what an unnecessary pantomime that was

Away from relying on the unreliable, it wasn't me that brought up the 1999 eclipse, it was one of your lot, a fellow skeptic.
All I did was immediately prove that within 6 days there was a major earthquake in one of the countries that was touched by the 'darkness'. As you pointed out, major quakes are fairly rare and you rightly quoted, "1908, 1915, and 1999". I made a connection straight away with the 1999 event, I'm sorry if that was inconvenient or your local scientist didn't send you an email, maybe they were busy wasting billions of euros trying to get atoms to collide so they they can tell God He was wrong about how we all got here?

[stevo]

So, do you think all science is a waste of time?

[Canton Kev]

I don’t believe in god. I’m not fussed about that debate - you say.
In other words, I'm uncomfortable thinking about Almighty God and I'd rather not focus on my faith, which I am certain isn't religious!
A familiar position, and the denial that comes with it.

As for the claim, "Claiming that god will cause an earthquake under a solar eclipse because the Americans chose the wrong president" is not the issue and it never was. This is more to do with a nation founded on Biblical principles turning against those principles and therefore against God.

I'm certain that you will think this has nothing whatsoever to do with yourself and it won't impact you in any way, and this is where we differ, greatly.

Lastly, why do you think this isssue related to 1999 is a 'wild claim' (?). The average amount of deaths across the WHOLE of Europe in the 20th Century from quakes was less then 39 people per week. Yet in less than one week 17,000 people perished due to a major quake in a country darkened by that total eclipse. If you are so willingly blind that you can't see anything out of the ordinary in that, then why should I spend more time trying to demonstrate something you wish to remain in denial about?

I don’t believe in god. You do. I probably never will and you will probably never relinquish your belief.

Why are you measuring deaths from earthquakes weekly? Do you think earthquakes with fatalities are a weekly occurrence? Why not daily? Why not monthly?

Of the 200,000 deaths in Europe in the 20th century, ~150,000 were from 3. Italy in 1908 and 1915 and Turkey in 1939. Add in the 1999 quake and that number rises to ~170,000.

In the 1999 there were 6 earthquakes globally with fatalities, only 2 of those were in Europe.

[jeepster]

I don’t believe in god. You do. I probably never will and you will probably never relinquish your belief.

Why are you measuring deaths from earthquakes weekly? Do you think earthquakes with fatalities are a weekly occurrence? Why not daily? Why not monthly?

Of the 200,000 deaths in Europe in the 20th century, ~150,000 were from 3. Italy in 1908 and 1915 and Turkey in 1939. Add in the 1999 quake and that number rises to ~170,000.

In the 1999 there were 6 earthquakes globally with fatalities, only 2 of those were in Europe.

Just like the book of fables he reads,all unreal.

[truthpaste]

I don’t believe in god. You do. I probably never will and you will probably never relinquish your belief.

Why are you measuring deaths from earthquakes weekly? Do you think earthquakes with fatalities are a weekly occurrence? Why not daily? Why not monthly?

Of the 200,000 deaths in Europe in the 20th century, ~150,000 were from 3. Italy in 1908 and 1915 and Turkey in 1939. Add in the 1999 quake and that number rises to ~170,000.

In the 1999 there were 6 earthquakes globally with fatalities, only 2 of those were in Europe.

So, do you think all science is a waste of time?

Of course not, however there was a time when science was actual science, ie all verified knowledge.
Today it can still be this, but the unverified speculation all gets thrown into the same pot, which is what makes up many of the regular science 'updates' - more accurately, corrections and retractions.

So what we have today is science that may be true, or may not. Documentaries on scientific issues are full of statements like, 'scientists believe* that..." / "scientists think this may* have...", and most of the gooey eyed public don't even notice such statements of belief or speculation, mainly because other genuine scientific advances have been so brilliant.

* These statements are accepted at the drop of a hat, but similar statements of belief from those who trust God (who has never had to issue apologies/ corrections etc) are seen as irrational?

[jon1959]

Of course not, however there was a time when science was actual science, ie all verified knowledge.
Today it can still be this, but the unverified speculation all gets thrown into the same pot, which is what makes up many of the regular science 'updates' - more accurately, corrections and retractions.

So what we have today is science that may be true, or may not. Documentaries on scientific issues are full of statements like, 'scientists believe* that..." / "scientists think this may* have...", and most of the gooey eyed public don't even notice such statements of belief or speculation, mainly because other genuine scientific advances have been so brilliant.

* These statements are accepted at the drop of a hat, but similar statements of belief from those who trust God (who has never had to issue apologies/ corrections etc) are seen as irrational?

What a load of total cobblers. When was this time 'when science was.... all verified knowledge'?

There are observed or measured facts, and there are theories and hypotheses to explain them - theories that can be tested and revised and evolved to fit new data and emerging understanding. I want to hear what scientists 'believe' and what they think 'may' explain phenomena and natural processes. That is how science works and how knowledge grows.

If there was a God (or gods) then He (or she or it) would be issuing apologies every day, all day. Thankfully there isn't a supernatural being responsible for the wars diseases and suffering of the world.... because that would be one hell (!) of a guilt trip!

[truthpaste]

What a load of total cobblers. When was this time 'when science was.... all verified knowledge'?

There are observed or measured facts, and there are theories and hypotheses to explain them - theories that can be tested and revised and evolved to fit new data and emerging understanding. I want to hear what scientists 'believe' and what they think 'may' explain phenomena and natural processes. That is how science works and how knowledge grows.

If there was a God (or gods) then He (or she or it) would be issuing apologies every day, all day. Thankfully there isn't a supernatural being responsible for the wars diseases and suffering of the world.... because that would be one hell (!) of a guilt trip!

You have a short and selected memory, we were asked to "follow the science" not the theories. It was the 'science' that was in error, again and again starting in 2020. Sure there was some good science work too, which is worthy of note and saved many lives, but that has nothing to do with the other multiple failures.

You then stated, "There are observed or measured facts, and there are theories and hypotheses to explain them - theories that can be tested and revised and evolved to fit new data and emerging understanding" - how exactly can a theory be 'evolved'(?), or would you care to replace this word with one that is more fitting?

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You have a short and selected memory, we were asked to "follow the science" not the theories. It was the 'science' that was in error, again and again starting in 2020. Sure there was some good science work too, which is worthy of note and saved many lives, but that has nothing to do with the other multiple failures.

You then stated, "There are observed or measured facts, and there are theories and hypotheses to explain them - theories that can be tested and revised and evolved to fit new data and emerging understanding" - how exactly can a theory be 'evolved'(?), or would you care to replace this word with one that is more fitting?

You can look into what 'theory' means in the context of a scientific theory. It's not what you think, as Jon is completely correct to use that word.

For example, there is a law of gravity, and I'm sure we'd all agree that gravity is real. But there's also a theory of gravity, which explains why it happens. Laws don't change (as gravity is not suddenly going to start acting differently) but theories do get revised as we have more evidence.