In reality, the left is the target of political violence

[jon1959]

Surely you realise that many establishment institutions, parts of the media, universities etc are pretty consistent in promoting left-wing ideals though?

And equally, on this whole debate, surely you recognise that whatever measure you use of failure; murdering your citizens, economic mismanagement, starvation, denial of democracy or rights etc, that the left is no better than the right, and vice-versa. It really is a totally outdated way of viewing things really. It's become little more than window dressing and a term for a cultural outlook

‘Surely you realise’…. ‘Surely you recognise’…. Surely I don’t!

There is nothing outdated in realising and recognising that the wealth, power and privilege of the UK establishment has nothing to do with the political left which exists to challenge those things. A few sociology departments does not offset the vast and growing concentration of establishment power that exists to maintain that wealth, power and privilege. In my experience it is only the apologists for that inequality and abuse that argue the analysis is now irrelevant.

If you insist on widening the view to take in the crimes of parasitic bureaucratic castes in states that claim to be inspired by Marx and Lenin then all I can say is those regimes are not of the political left. The ‘left’ were among the first victims of those autocratic regimes. But that is a massive deflection anyway from the Andy Beckett article that started this thread which was clearly directed at the history and current threats of political violence directed at the left in the UK - that you claimed no one believes.

The terms still have meaning and value. You seem to think they are no more than archaic flags in someone’s culture wars. Gluey seems to see the world through a lens of pro-WEF and anti-WEF - who is in the Swiss bunker and who isn’t. I disagree with you both.

[the other bob wilson]

‘Surely you realise’…. ‘Surely you recognise’…. Surely I don’t!

There is nothing outdated in realising and recognising that the wealth, power and privilege of the UK establishment has nothing to do with the political left which exists to challenge those things. A few sociology departments does not offset the vast and growing concentration of establishment power that exists to maintain that wealth, power and privilege. In my experience it is only the apologists for that inequality and abuse that argue the analysis is now irrelevant.

If you insist on widening the view to take in the crimes of parasitic bureaucratic castes in states that claim to be inspired by Marx and Lenin then all I can say is those regimes are not of the political left. The ‘left’ were among the first victims of those autocratic regimes. But that is a massive deflection anyway from the Andy Beckett article that started this thread which was clearly directed at the history and current threats of political violence directed at the left in the UK - that you claimed no one believes.

The terms still have meaning and value. You seem to think they are no more than archaic flags in someone’s culture wars. Gluey seems to see the world through a lens of pro-WEF and anti-WEF - who is in the Swiss bunker and who isn’t. I disagree with you both.

Well said, lots of going all around the houses in this thread and none of it makes the original article less true.

[Citizen's Nephew]

‘Surely you realise’…. ‘Surely you recognise’…. Surely I don’t!

There is nothing outdated in realising and recognising that the wealth, power and privilege of the UK establishment has nothing to do with the political left which exists to challenge those things. A few sociology departments does not offset the vast and growing concentration of establishment power that exists to maintain that wealth, power and privilege. In my experience it is only the apologists for that inequality and abuse that argue the analysis is now irrelevant.

If you insist on widening the view to take in the crimes of parasitic bureaucratic castes in states that claim to be inspired by Marx and Lenin then all I can say is those regimes are not of the political left. The ‘left’ were among the first victims of those autocratic regimes. But that is a massive deflection anyway from the Andy Beckett article that started this thread which was clearly directed at the history and current threats of political violence directed at the left in the UK - that you claimed no one believes.

The terms still have meaning and value. You seem to think they are no more than archaic flags in someone’s culture wars. Gluey seems to see the world through a lens of pro-WEF and anti-WEF - who is in the Swiss bunker and who isn’t. I disagree with you both.

It's pointless Jon. Just seeing his response to Bob suggests that. I didn't even get a response even though I quoted an example of what 'should' be a compelling argument. Conveniently swerved that one.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

It's pointless Jon. Just seeing his response to Bob suggests that. I didn't even get a response even though I quoted an example of what 'should' be a compelling argument. Conveniently swerved that one.

You are right it's absolutely pointless

Even if he's wrong he's right

And if he's caught in a corner he will take a week off hoping nobody notices

[Wales-Bales]

The terms still have meaning and value. You seem to think they are no more than archaic flags in someone’s culture wars. Gluey seems to see the world through a lens of pro-WEF and anti-WEF - who is in the Swiss bunker and who isn’t. I disagree with you both.

You know I always like to play the long game, e.g. Russia collusion, so I will get back to you on this at a later date

[the other bob wilson]

You know I always like to play the long game, e.g. Russia collusion, so I will get back to you on this at a later date

You’re still playing the long game with your trouble brewing in Washington thread as well, what birthday did it celebrate recently? Six? Seven?

[Wales-Bales]

You’re still playing the long game with your trouble brewing in Washington thread as well, what birthday did it celebrate recently? Six? Seven?

It's quite complicated, and not everything happens like it appears in the Guardian

[the other bob wilson]

It's quite complicated, and not everything happens like it appears in the Guardian

So, I shouldn’t believe something like this?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ew-york-london

Are you sure smug superiority is the right look for the non event that is your Trouble brewing in Washington thread?

[Wales-Bales]

Are you sure smug superiority is the right look for the non event that is your Trouble brewing in Washington thread?

Patience young grasshopper. It seems like it was ages ago when this was declared the 2021/22 Conspiracy Theory Ballon D'Or winner by the usual suspects, and even Chancellor Sunak denied it would happen, but here we are ...

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...hs-2024-03-25/

[MOZZER2]

Patience young grasshopper. It seems like it was ages ago when this was declared the 2021/22 Conspiracy Theory Ballon D'Or winner by the usual suspects, and even Chancellor Sunak denied it would happen, but here we are ...

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...hs-2024-03-25/

I notice Australia passed the Digital ID bill yesterday

Agenda 2030 edging closer every day

[the other bob wilson]

Patience young grasshopper. It seems like it was ages ago when this was declared the 2021/22 Conspiracy Theory Ballon D'Or winner by the usual suspects, and even Chancellor Sunak denied it would happen, but here we are ...

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...hs-2024-03-25/

And there you have it, actually calling me grasshopper while spouting your gobbledygook- I take it you’ve joking there. I couldn’t read that link without having to answer twenty questions about my ad blocker, so I didn’t bother.