Quote Originally Posted by Keyser Soze View Post
I am with Sludge on one aspect here, the Newbury story may or may not have happened, but that isn’t the intention of horse references. The intention is to cause offence. I can recall back around the late Nineties and early Noughties some chanting by Cardiff fans.

On Alan Davies there were two chants…

“Sssssss, gas gas, gas a Jack”, and the “Do the Alan Davies, Do the Alan Davies, la la la la la”. That was the arm-crossing that Sludge refers to.

I never heard too much about the Terry Coles, other than in the Canton End around 2003-05 from memory. I think the Portguese coach was running Swansea at that point. There were a few Barry and Blackwood boys singing the Goldie Looking Chain song that went “Drugs don’t kill people, rappers do”. It was changed to “Drugs don’t kill people, horses do”. At the time it seemed funny, but you realize it then really isn’t if the family on the others side hear it. Young tribal foolishness, and idiocy. Alcohol and group dynamics at a young age gives you a difference reference point.

No doubt tragedy chanting is offensive. But then again football all over the world is tribal. You don’t
go to football as in rugby, shake hands with the opposition, and say “Well done old mucker”. To me it is a waste of police resources to chase this stuff. The police have complained for years that they are short on resources so its about prioritisation. There is an opioid crisis in Swansea, theft of endemic proportions, and child abuse at estoteric rates. This doesn’t strike me as a priority for South Wales Police, socially ugly though it may be. The police should be chasing more hard crimes instead of looking for easy wins to make their statistics look good, and avoid high risk policing. Risk is part of their job, so chase hard criminals not a small bunch of football fan idiots who will be long forgotten by the following day.

My stepfather was at the foot of the Aberfan disaster, cleaning it up, back in the day. He told me horrific stories about what he saw, which as an 18 year I found harrowing. But when Millwall and Bristol City fans chanted about Aberfan I thought “Bloody lowlife”, shrugged if off, gave it back and got on with my day. I didn’t feign faux outrage on behalf of others, create a noise, and go squeaking to police or shouting about it. I just thought it reflects more on them than me.
Mocking anyone about the death of someone is sick regardless of age but astonishing in those of a more mature age but maybe not fully developed IQ coupled with possible substance intake

The swim away is an interesting one for me - expected from fans regardless of the why or the maturity of it but the one for me is a club condoning football violence

Martin obafemi lowe and and now Williams have in recent times either mimicked the swim away or appeared to have sanctioned it by others - so players and managers alike seem happy to condone it - question whether they understand fully what it is related to or if the club are happy with this

In the commentary on the recent game apparently Williams kids go to a school with a few Cardiff fans in and I would hate to think that his kids suffered as a result of his actions on or around the game - apparently he was urged by his kids not to lose that game because of the number of Cardiff fans in the school

Also there was some talk on the other board of removing the bubble for the game and for me this creates an unnecessary risk bearing in mind recent issues in the red seats and also the incident 150 miles in Newbury (not so recent I know) - not worth it for me