Lets Have a Sensible Debate -Part 1

[Trigger]

At the moment he just seems like a massive luxury player without the output.

He undoubtedly has talent and moments in matches where he looks quality but he struggles to put that together.

Played a part in 32 matches and has one goal, zero assists. I know he rarely, if ever manages 90 minutes but he doesn't help himself, gets a start yesterday and as our creative player in midfield contributes little going forward.

I want it to work for him. At this stage of the season I'd happily see him start every match with his brother and ashford, start to plan for next season and really get a good idea of what they are about.

[the other bob wilson]

At the moment he just seems like a massive luxury player without the output.

He undoubtedly has talent and moments in matches where he looks quality but he struggles to put that together.

Played a part in 32 matches and has one goal, zero assists. I know he rarely, if ever manages 90 minutes but he doesn't help himself, gets a start yesterday and as our creative player in midfield contributes little going forward.

I want it to work for him. At this stage of the season I'd happily see him start every match with his brother and ashford, start to plan for next season and really get a good idea of what they are about.

You say “as our creative player in midfield” as if we are only allowed one of them. I’m not having a go at you because after watching us play in recent years, you could be forgiven for thinking that was the case. I think to be fair to Bulut, he has tried to wean us off the long ball game, but, essentially, we still have Warnock type “bread and butter” central midfielders built more for the dogs of war stuff which goes with a more physical and direct approach. Have we started a league game with two out of Colwill, Ramsey and Turnbull in the team? I stand to be corrected, but I don’t think we have and I don’t think we will under this manager.

[2b2bdoo]

You say “as our creative player in midfield” as if we are only allowed one of them. I’m not having a go at you because after watching us play in recent years, you could be forgiven for thinking that was the case. I think to be fair to Bulut, he has tried to wean us off the long ball game, but, essentially, we still have Warnock type “bread and butter” central midfielders built more for the dogs of war stuff which goes with a more physical and direct approach. Have we started a league game with two out of Colwill, Ramsey and Turnbull in the team? I stand to be corrected, but I don’t think we have and I don’t think we will under this manager.

I’m sure there was an away game where they both started in a middle three, I can’t remember the game now but we lost.

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WBA away was the game.

[the other bob wilson]

I’m sure there was an away game where they both started in a middle three, I can’t remember the game now but we lost.

Edit
WBA away was the game.

Yes, you’re right, but I notice we started with a back three, wing backs, two strikers and no wingers that night (Grant couldn’t play), so maybe Bulut thought that the extra centreback gave him enough protection to have Colwill and Turnbull in the starting line up - whatever his thinking was, we conceded within thirty seconds!

I should have said will two out of those three start when we play our normal four at the back.

[2b2bdoo]

Yes, you’re right, but I notice we started with a back three, wing backs, two strikers and no wingers that night (Grant couldn’t play), so maybe Bulut thought that the extra centreback gave him enough protection to have Colwill and Turnbull in the starting line up - whatever his thinking was, we conceded within thirty seconds!

I should have said will two out of those three start when we play our normal four at the back.

Yeah, it’s a shame we started so poorly in that game as I wondered how that formation may have worked out. Even though both started it was a very clear 3 in midfield, none really pushing up to join the top 2.

[Cleve van Leef]

You say “as our creative player in midfield” as if we are only allowed one of them. I’m not having a go at you because after watching us play in recent years, you could be forgiven for thinking that was the case. I think to be fair to Bulut, he has tried to wean us off the long ball game, but, essentially, we still have Warnock type “bread and butter” central midfielders built more for the dogs of war stuff which goes with a more physical and direct approach. Have we started a league game with two out of Colwill, Ramsey and Turnbull in the team? I stand to be corrected, but I don’t think we have and I don’t think we will under this manager.

I think you stating we have central midfield players who are “dogs of war”, they are nowhere near players like that, in fact Wintle and Ralls, if they’re the ones you are thinking of couldn’t tackle a cooked dinner! They are lightweight midfielders, and definitely not Warnockesque.

[the other bob wilson]

I think you stating we have central midfield players who are “dogs of war”, they are nowhere near players like that, in fact Wintle and Ralls, if they’re the ones you are thinking of couldn’t tackle a cooked dinner! They are lightweight midfielders, and definitely not Warnockesque.

Well Ralls was in Warnock’s promotion team, but I accept he’s not the player now that he was then. As for Wintle, I’ve got more time for him than most City fans I reckon, but I’m not sure what sort of player he is. O’Dowda was talking in glowing terms about his technique after the Ipswich match, but he doesn’t do enough when he’s used as the number ten type for me and I accept that he’s no midfield hard man. Maybe I shouldn’t have said dogs of war, but, when we play with four at the back we have two number six types and it’s always two out of Wintle, Ralls and Siopis.

[jon1959]

Well Ralls was in Warnock’s promotion team, but I accept he’s not the player now that he was then. As for Wintle, I’ve got more time for him than most City fans I reckon, but I’m not sure what sort of player he is. O’Dowda was talking in glowing terms about his technique after the Ipswich match, but he doesn’t do enough when he’s used as the number ten type for me and I accept that he’s no midfield hard man. Maybe I shouldn’t have said dogs of war, but, when we play with four at the back we have two number six types and it’s always two out of Wintle, Ralls and Siopis.

Just before the end of the first half Wintle and O'Dowda were having a go at Colwill. It seemed to be about his runs and his positioning. I never saw Bulut doing the same. Colwill had a poor half, but he was trying passes that didn't come off, making runs and coming back to the CBs to pick up the ball. He was trying but he was working to a different script from some of the others (not that the rest of the team was on the same script either).

I can see why Wilson-Esbrand was taken off (he was giving the ball away to much and playing backwards) but Colwill was just a scapegoat for a poor first half by the whole team where there was no obvious plan or clarity of roles. Maybe that was down to players not doing what they were told, maybe it was just another off day, but the buck must stop with the manager.

[Garth Blue]

You say “as our creative player in midfield” as if we are only allowed one of them. I’m not having a go at you because after watching us play in recent years, you could be forgiven for thinking that was the case. I think to be fair to Bulut, he has tried to wean us off the long ball game, but, essentially, we still have Warnock type “bread and butter” central midfielders built more for the dogs of war stuff which goes with a more physical and direct approach. Have we started a league game with two out of Colwill, Ramsey and Turnbull in the team? I stand to be corrected, but I don’t think we have and I don’t think we will under this manager.

This is so on point. I still maintain Rubin is a class player and it would be a massive shame if he had to leave us. But he needs players with vision around him. Players who see a pass early. Players he make intelligent runs. Yesterday wasn't Colwills best day, but the number of times he showed for a pass only to be either unseen or ignored was scandalous. Our defenders and defensive midfielders will not/ cannot play an earlier pass into space. The want 2 / 3 touches and then the space is closed down. Colwill should be guaranteed at least 70 minutes each game till the end of the season. And we need to play a system that allows him to play with Turnbull or Ramsey. As for Bulut, he should be on his bike.

[Trigger]

You say “as our creative player in midfield” as if we are only allowed one of them. I’m not having a go at you because after watching us play in recent years, you could be forgiven for thinking that was the case. I think to be fair to Bulut, he has tried to wean us off the long ball game, but, essentially, we still have Warnock type “bread and butter” central midfielders built more for the dogs of war stuff which goes with a more physical and direct approach. Have we started a league game with two out of Colwill, Ramsey and Turnbull in the team? I stand to be corrected, but I don’t think we have and I don’t think we will under this manager.

That wasn't really my thought process to be honest. Merely stating the obvious that in that team that was colwill's role as Bulut does prefer the two worker type players behind him.

I'd love to see Ramsey and colwill.

If we play like we did yesterday it doesn't really matter what set up we have I guess.

[Tuerto]

Some people alluding to us getting three or four players in to suit a player who hasn't really done much (Colwill) **** me, that would take a brave manager.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

I could warm to the idea of Bulut here next season, were it not for the fact he handed 2yr contract extensions to Ralls and Wintle. Makes me suspicious of his ongoing plans..