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    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    I've spent most of the season sat in our stadium waiting for the 90 minutes to be up so I can get to the pub.
    Do I think it will improve next year under him no not really I just see a continuation of this season.
    What we really need is a change of owner with some football knowledge and ambition because no one really gives an f down there.
    It's like witnessing a death by a thousand cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insider View Post
    I've spent most of the season sat in our stadium waiting for the 90 minutes to be up so I can get to the pub.
    Do I think it will improve next year under him no not really I just see a continuation of this season.
    What we really need is a change of owner with some football knowledge and ambition because no one really gives an f down there.
    It's like witnessing a death by a thousand cuts.
    You know that the chance of a new owner is very slim

    I do however understand your opinion

    The problem is new investment is highly unlikely

    We have been on a roller-coaster going nowhere since relegation under warnock

    6 years ?

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    It's striking just how split we are on Erol Bulut. Comfortably mid table after only surviving last season after Reading's points deduction, we should all be happy really. Our performances though. Weird season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    June 2023
    Tan, Dalman:
    Welcome aboard Erol, we don't care how you do it but you have been hired to keep us in the Championship until the club stabilises and the transfer embargo put upon us is lifted.
    Bulut:
    Ok boss I'll do my best.

    April 2024
    Bulut:
    Job done boss! How about a new contract and a war chest?
    Tan/Dalman:
    Plenty still going on behind the scenes but sit tight for now, we'll let you know very soon mate...

    to be continued....

    Me:
    Who the feck else will make a difference with the stance from on high?
    Give him a season and a pocket full of cash.
    He can get his teams playing some decent stuff as we've seen glimpses.
    I think a fixed 1 year contract will be best

    If he fecks up and we are down the bottom 6 then it's not going to cost us a bomb to sack him

    If he improves our style of play and we score some goals and make a good shot of it we roll the contract on ?

    I mean where is the difficulty in this ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I think a fixed 1 year contract will be best

    If he fecks up and we are down the bottom 6 then it's not going to cost us a bomb to sack him

    If he improves our style of play and we score some goals and make a good shot of it we roll the contract on ?

    I mean where is the difficulty in this ?
    My issue is that we end up doing the same next season - mind numbing football, can't open most defences in open play, but pinch enough wins to keep us mid-table.

    I don't see how that is any sort of progression, unless we're giving up on that and just hope for survival again.

    There surely has to be a target of aiming for Premier League promotion in 3-4 seasons, playing a type of football that would suit the Premier League, with a younger squad that builds together. Instead, we have no plan, we lurch from season to season hoping for the best with absolutely no structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    My issue is that we end up doing the same next season - mind numbing football, can't open most defences in open play, but pinch enough wins to keep us mid-table.

    I don't see how that is any sort of progression, unless we're giving up on that and just hope for survival again.

    There surely has to be a target of aiming for Premier League promotion in 3-4 seasons, playing a type of football that would suit the Premier League, with a younger squad that builds together. Instead, we have no plan, we lurch from season to season hoping for the best with absolutely no structure.
    Trouble is we'll likely stop pinching wins. Last minute turnarounds having been outplayed are completely unsustainable and not a strategy to build on.

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    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    My issue is that we end up doing the same next season - mind numbing football, can't open most defences in open play, but pinch enough wins to keep us mid-table.

    I don't see how that is any sort of progression, unless we're giving up on that and just hope for survival again.

    There surely has to be a target of aiming for Premier League promotion in 3-4 seasons, playing a type of football that would suit the Premier League, with a younger squad that builds together. Instead, we have no plan, we lurch from season to season hoping for the best with absolutely no structure.
    He'll improve it for sure, you remember January when he tried to sign a top Striker and an attacking midfielder but we couldn't compete as it was an over expensive January window.

    A team builds in stages, the first stage is complete we are safe and very solid, the next stage build a more attacking team.

    A one-year deal to see what he can do, otherwise a Trollope/Hudson novice will take us back into the bottom four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue View Post
    He'll improve it for sure, you remember January when he tried to sign a top Striker and an attacking midfielder but we couldn't compete as it was an over expensive January window.

    A team builds in stages, the first stage is complete we are safe and very solid, the next stage build a more attacking team.

    A one-year deal to see what he can do, otherwise a Trollope/Hudson novice will take us back into the bottom four.
    We lost 3-1 on the weekend to a below average championship team.

    Conceded 3 at home against Hull who are a mid table team just like us.

    Conceded 2 against Sunderland and the Jacks, 4 against Norwich, 3 against Plymouth, 3 against Leeds, 4 in the cup 4 Sheff Weds, 2 v Plymouth in a 2-2 draw, 3 v hull away etc etc.

    Seem solid as a rock at the back, fair play, time to loosen off the defensive shackles and have a go at teams because we're absolutely sorted defensively.

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    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dembe View Post
    We lost 3-1 on the weekend to a below average championship team.

    Conceded 3 at home against Hull who are a mid table team just like us.

    Conceded 2 against Sunderland and the Jacks, 4 against Norwich, 3 against Plymouth, 3 against Leeds, 4 in the cup 4 Sheff Weds, 2 v Plymouth in a 2-2 draw, 3 v hull away etc etc.

    Seem solid as a rock at the back, fair play, time to loosen off the defensive shackles and have a go at teams because we're absolutely sorted defensively.
    The last six games we've won two the same as three of the top five, and more than leeds and West Brom.

    Hull are seventh?

    Of the top 10 only Norwich have won more games than us in the last six winning three.

    The squad is not deep enough, we started well, dropped off a lot by December /January, then improved a bit with a few additions, with a decent Striker and better attacking midfielder we will look much better.

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    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dembe View Post
    We lost 3-1 on the weekend to a below average championship team.

    Conceded 3 at home against Hull who are a mid table team just like us.

    Conceded 2 against Sunderland and the Jacks, 4 against Norwich, 3 against Plymouth, 3 against Leeds, 4 in the cup 4 Sheff Weds, 2 v Plymouth in a 2-2 draw, 3 v hull away etc etc.

    Seem solid as a rock at the back, fair play, time to loosen off the defensive shackles and have a go at teams because we're absolutely sorted defensively.
    Haven't got time to look back on all those games but people often comment we have a fairly decent defensive record, probably Runner cost us a lot of those goals and bad defensive performances. We can blame Bulut for that, I'm not sure what happened there he seemed to lose the plot along with confidence in Alnwick.

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    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dembe View Post
    We lost 3-1 on the weekend to a below average championship team.

    Conceded 3 at home against Hull who are a mid table team just like us.

    Conceded 2 against Sunderland and the Jacks, 4 against Norwich, 3 against Plymouth, 3 against Leeds, 4 in the cup 4 Sheff Weds, 2 v Plymouth in a 2-2 draw, 3 v hull away etc etc.

    Seem solid as a rock at the back, fair play, time to loosen off the defensive shackles and have a go at teams because we're absolutely sorted defensively.
    You said Hull are a mid table team just like us?

    No we are 11th they are 7th, one below the playoffs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I think a fixed 1 year contract will be best

    If he fecks up and we are down the bottom 6 then it's not going to cost us a bomb to sack him

    If he improves our style of play and we score some goals and make a good shot of it we roll the contract on ?

    I mean where is the difficulty in this ?


    This season is the introductory offer.

    Commit for two or three years and allow him to build or wave goodbye.

    If he had a two-year deal with an option for a third, this season would not be an issue, we'd have to trust him and hope for a better spectacle next season. Its the one year contract that's causing the uncertainty

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    Quote Originally Posted by llan bluebird View Post
    This season is the introductory offer.

    Commit for two or three years and allow him to build or wave goodbye.

    If he had a two-year deal with an option for a third, this season would not be an issue, we'd have to trust him and hope for a better spectacle next season. Its the one year contract that's causing the uncertainty
    I’m not sure why the 1 year contract has caused such panic amoungst our fans, I keep reading about stability. But who in the championship has stability, a lot of clubs seem to have new managers this year, I think other than Coventry and Ipswich every other team had had a manager less than 2 years. I can’t find the article now but it felt like most were under a year.

    I don’t think stability needs to be an excuse.

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    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo View Post
    I’m not sure why the 1 year contract has caused such panic amoungst our fans, I keep reading about stability. But who in the championship has stability, a lot of clubs seem to have new managers this year, I think other than Coventry and Ipswich every other team had had a manager less than 2 years. I can’t find the article now but it felt like most were under a year.

    I don’t think stability needs to be an excuse.
    Thats true, a two or three year contract is for the Managers benefit as most get paid off when they are sacked.

  15. #15

    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    The bottom line is that I don't trust the club. So reluctantly I have to stick.

  16. #16

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    I think he should go, that doesn’t mean I think he’s done a bad job. I would just like to see a more progressive manager come in and build on this season.

  17. #17

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    Very reluctant stay, just because I don't rate Bulut at all but the overwhelming chance is whoever the club gets to replace him will be worse. If we put an experienced and knowledgeable Director of Football in place who was given the freedom to choose the next manager, I'd drive him to the airport myself.

  18. #18

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    He’s not getting enough results to give him a pass on the dire football

    He hasn’t improved any of the players, not really brought in anyone that I thought he has a really good eye for players.

    I personally am eager to see him go but if he does stay, then I’ll carry on giving him a chance

  19. #19

    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    General question for everyone: other than points in the league table, what particular things do you look for in a manager and has Bulut achieved them or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    General question for everyone: other than points in the league table, what particular things do you look for in a manager and has Bulut achieved them or not?
    lol..i doubt you'll get many answers to this question. If you do they wont be very coherent.

    There are a lot of simpletons on this forum and they don't need to watch the matches.

    All they care about is saying that they are cardiff city "fans" and that the numbers look slightly better at the end of a season. Football is not really of interest.

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    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blooburd View Post
    lol..i doubt you'll get many answers to this question. If you do they wont be very coherent.

    There are a lot of simpletons on this forum and they don't need to watch the matches.

    All they care about is saying that they are cardiff city "fans" and that the numbers look slightly better at the end of a season. Football is not really of interest.
    One of the hopes is that with the ability to pay a fee, he can get some solid Greek/Turk/German Players as he has experience overseas and knows the players and will now know the Championship a lot more than last season and what's needed.

  22. #22

    Re: Time to get of the fence. Should Bulut go or stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    General question for everyone: other than points in the league table, what particular things do you look for in a manager and has Bulut achieved them or not?
    Difficult question really, what we want and what we can get are very different. After the last two seasons and under an embargo I think staying up and pushing up the league was priority and I think he’s done very well, the league table doesn’t lie at this stage of the season.

    What do I want, free flowing attacking football, goals, youth brought through but so does everyone no doubt.

    I said he should do and we should built on this season though,I don’t think everything is as black and white as people want to make out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo View Post
    Difficult question really, what we want and what we can get are very different. After the last two seasons and under an embargo I think staying up and pushing up the league was priority and I think he’s done very well, the league table doesn’t lie at this stage of the season.

    What do I want, free flowing attacking football, goals, youth brought through but so does everyone no doubt.

    I said he should do and we should built on this season though,I don’t think everything is as black and white as people want to make out.
    Good answer. I'm glad you've mentioned the bit that everything isn't as black and white as people make out. I feel some don't understand this.

  24. #24

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    managers.jpg

    Not sure how accurate that is but he's got the best win ratio in a long time.

    Little blurry.

    https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackr...s/cardiff-city

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman View Post
    managers.jpg

    Not sure how accurate that is but he's got the best win ratio in a long time.

    Little blurry.

    https://www.bettingodds.com/thesackr...s/cardiff-city
    It's correct. If you exclude a couple of caretaker roles by Jimmy Mullen, Bulut has the 5th highest win percentage in our history, just ahead of Dave Jones. He also has the 10th highest defeat percentage in our history, again, once caretaker roles are taken out, worse than Hudson, Morison, Osman, McCarthy amongst others.

    Needless to say, he has the lowest draw percentage of any regular City manager!!

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