Hitler.

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I don't really want to get into the religious stuff as it gets nowhere - as what believers consider to be proof does not pass the threshold of being proof as understood by the majority of educated people.

I merely wanted to comment on the misinterpretation of Dawkins' comment.

As far as the meaning of the word 'science', the etymological root comes from Latin ('Scientia' meaning 'knowledge/to know something) and came to English via Norman-French.

It's true that the modern usage has narrowed down to what the Oxford Languages Dictionary describes as 'the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained.' - but it's still about knowledge and the search for it, albeit in certain fields.

We can park Dawkins until we have the opportunity to examine how he has done when faced with an intelligent theist. I look forward to that.

As for 'science' - it certainly did live up to it's definition of certain knowledge in those early days. Now in our generation, that verified knowledge has got all mixed in with speculation, with the inevitable apologies and corrections flowing out later on when further investigation proves that the former 'scientific' discovery is no more than fiction.

I noticed you've run a mile from testing the Bible re science & history, and so would I if I were placed in your position.

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We can park Dawkins until we have the opportunity to examine how he has done when faced with an intelligent theist. I look forward to that.

As for 'science' - it certainly did live up to it's definition of certain knowledge in those early days. Now in our generation, that verified knowledge has got all mixed in with speculation, with the inevitable apologies and corrections flowing out later on when further investigation proves that the former 'scientific' discovery is no more than fiction.

I noticed you've run a mile from testing the Bible re science & history, and so would I if I were placed in your position.

I haven't run a mile from anything - and I don't know why you choose to be so unpleasant with your unneccessary, sneering comments.

I responded to Gofer in the first instance and not about the existence or otherwise of your god.

I have found it fruitless debating the veracity of many Bible stories, the list below being a sample, with people who believe them lock, stock and barrel - and I recognise that I won't change believers regarding their belief in those stories and those believers have never produced sufficient evidence to me to prove their veracity. I therefore saw the situation as an en passe and took a step back. (I can be usually be tempted to engage in dialogue with posters who remain civil but you come over as quite nasty).

1. The virgin birth
2. Eve being created from Adam's rib
3. Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt.
4. The talking snake.
5. Water being turned into wine.
6. A talking donkey.
7. The existence of Nephilim.
8. Jonah being in the belly of a fish for three days.
9. Adam living for 930 years.
10. The existence of demon pigs.

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I haven't run a mile from anything - and I don't know why you choose to be so unpleasant with your unneccessary, sneering comments.

I responded to Gofer in the first instance and not about the existence or otherwise of your god.

I have found it fruitless debating the veracity of many Bible stories, the list below being a sample, with people who believe them lock, stock and barrel - and I recognise that I won't change believers regarding their belief in those stories and those believers have never produced sufficient evidence to me to prove their veracity. I therefore saw the situation as an en passe and took a step back. (I can be usually be tempted to engage in dialogue with posters who remain civil but you come over as quite nasty).

1. The virgin birth
2. Eve being created from Adam's rib
3. Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt.
4. The talking snake.
5. Water being turned into wine.
6. A talking donkey.
7. The existence of Nephilim.
8. Jonah being in the belly of a fish for three days.
9. Adam living for 930 years.
10. The existence of demon pigs.

Why is being direct suddenly being nasty?

What IS rude and nasty is dismissing a world view as the view of the uneducated, merely 'religious stuff' or mythical; particularly when that person throws their unfounded opinion at you and then says he would rather not discuss it just in case he can't back up his insults.

Your 1-10 objections are a selection of supernatural phenomenon that like evolution, cannot be proven or repeated in laboratory conditions. Yet you have ignored two key things:-

1. You place your faith in men who tell you evolution has happened in history and is still happening today despite not being able to prove it in the same way you want your 1-10 list proven.

2. The majority of things found in the Bible CAN be proven historically or scientifically, with some of those scientific discoveries appearing in the Bible thousands of years before man discovered and proved them to be a fact.