Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 08:17
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Feedy, you say that you speak from personal experience well here is my personal experience.
My sister has worked for the DWP for 30 years & is in charge of a job centre.
I have a close family member with severe mental health issues.
My sister says that nowadays her job is totally target driven.
She is both shocked & sickened by the state some of her customers are in that have been assessed by ATOS/DWP as fit for work & says she knows that there is no chance of them ever working.
They have just been taken off one benefit & put onto another benefit, a benefit that is cheaper for the govt.
They are now in a situation where they are under much more stress & can be subject to harsh sanctions. Neither of which are good for their already poor physical/mental health & as such worsens their quality of life which is the opposite of what the govt "claims" they are trying to do.
I do not believe that ATOS or any private company should be involved in carrying out "assessments" nor do I believe that DWP staff should have the final say as to whether someone is fit or not to work.
Quite frankly the fact that a DWP member of staff, using an ATOS "tick" sheet assessment can over rule the decision of a time served, highly trained & skilled medical professional shows the callousness of this govt & the depths they will go to to prove that they are right & save a few quid.
If they pursued tax dodgers with the same vigour as the sick & vulnerable there would be a lot more money in the coffers.
headlight
Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 08:17
A very good point about the tax dodgers It all seems a bit ideological to me.Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 08:17
This is total bollocks. The fact that someone is on DLA means, ipso facto, that he/she is NOT as healthy as anyone else.Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 01:54
Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 08:17
you will find that I have not disagreed with anything that you have written, especially the bit in bold. What I have disagreed with is the conclusions drawn from the data released. it is nothing more than that however some feel the need to vent their spleen in my direction as they think I'm advocating a system when I'm not.Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 08:17
What happened to the old "there are no targets at the DWP" line that Mr Smith was trotting out not so long ago?Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 08:17
In parliamentary language, I suspect he may have told an untruth.Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 09:09
The point being made is that disabilities affect people differently even when they are the same medical condition. There is no magic cure and no right or wrong, even when the condition is (clinically) the same. Just because you personally are unable to work does not mean all disabled people are unable to work.Originally Posted by bobh wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 08:53
headlightOriginally Posted by Gluey wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 09:09
How do they silence all the staff, surely there must be some people with a conscience working there?Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 09:19
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Target setting isn't as bad as you are making out as it is a feedback and control method that allows action to be taken if behaviour or outcomes are not what you would expect.Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 10:40
Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 10:40
It seems you are almost willing whatever it is inside your head to be trueOriginally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 10:56
you're happy to take the word of someone off the internet you don't know without question just because it suits your agenda but question everything else, even official government statistics, when it doesn't. I see.Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 12:14
TBF it seems to be only you and IDS who are on the same page!Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 12:24
other than everyone else in this thread who have questioned your use of stats in this context you're probably rightOriginally Posted by Gluey wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 12:28
Yeah well, them too, but you get my pointOriginally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 12:36
The current policy is not fit for purpose not because you and your preferred stats say it is but because its a typical civil service one size fits all box ticking exercise that doesn't take in to account the human angle and the fact that each situation is different.Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 12:40
I don't hate the Tories and I don't love Labour. But being a true Welshman I have been shaped by my environment, and I will always wish the best for my fellow countrymenOriginally Posted by Feedback wrote on Tue, 01 September 2015 12:44