European Superstate Imminent?

[blue matt]

it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

what part is far fetched ? ? ?

The Argentinians invading the Falkland Islands ? ?? you might have missed it, it happened a while back, 1982 ( without googling it )

A Europeans armed force ? ? ? hasnt this been discussed before ? ? ?

[tommy31]

what part is far fetched ? ? ?

The Argentinians invading the Falkland Islands ? ?? you might have missed it, it happened a while back, 1982 ( without googling it )

A Europeans armed force ? ? ? hasnt this been discussed before ? ? ?

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

[blue matt]

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

where have i said it is guaranteed to happen ? ? ?

[tommy31]

where have i said it is guaranteed to happen ? ? ?

are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering

[blue matt]

it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering

first of all you say " it's fact. and not scaremongering "

now its scaremongering


its a worse case scenario but only 2 years ago Argentina were making the wrong noises about the Falklands and were not russia leasing them some fighter jets ? ? ? so who knows down the line what will happen, i just like the idea of a armed force that we ( the UK ) whole 100% control over

[tommy31]

first of all you say " it's fact. and not scaremongering "

now its scaremongering


its a worse case scenario but only 2 years ago Argentina were making the wrong noises about the Falklands and were not russia leasing them some fighter jets ? ? ? so who knows down the line what will happen, i just like the idea of a armed force that we ( the UK ) whole 100% control over

What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.

Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.

[Wales-Bales]

What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.

Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.

I don't think that is how political union works

[tommy31]

I don't think that is how political union works

How does it work then oh wise one

[Wales-Bales]

How does it work then oh wise one

The majority in Brussels decide who they are going to bomb or not.

[blue matt]

What are you on about here? surely you understand the point I'm making.. if not, I'd be worried.

Of course, but as many have said, the UK have a veto. And what's more, this would obviously be spoken about before a hypothetical European army was created.

I understood what you were saying, but i found it entertaining you first said :

it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

my scenario was suddenly a fact and not scaremongering

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering

then you downgraded it to scaremongering

when in reality its just some bloke sat on his PC concerned about giving up out armed forces and leaving them in the full control of the EU

[tommy31]

I understood what you were saying, but i found it entertaining you first said :



my scenario was suddenly a fact and not scaremongering





then you downgraded it to scaremongering

when in reality its just some bloke sat on his PC concerned about giving up out armed forces and leaving them in the full control of the EU

There was no downgrading. you clearly havent understood what I wrote. Please go back and read it again.

[tommy31]

The majority in Brussels decide who they are going to bomb or not.

of course, once it has been agreed to hand power to them in the first place, correct.

put it this way, they wont have control of the army without consent from the uk parliament.

[blue matt]

There was no downgrading. you clearly havent understood what I wrote. Please go back and read it again.

No, i dont want to do this again with someone else, but you wrote

it's funny, when economists warn against brexit, its scaremongering. When you talk about something far more far-fetched, it's fact. go figure

look at the above quote, you imply it wasnt scaremongering but was fact

so it's guaranteed to happen following an IN vote, right? jeez talk about scaremongering

are you trying to tell me that this isnt going to happen? then why bring it up? oh right yeah, scaremongering

then you call it scaremongering

[tommy31]

No, i dont want to do this again with someone else, but you wrote



look at the above quote, you imply it wasnt scaremongering but was fact





then you call it scaremongering

There's where you arent understanding what I wrote.

[blue matt]

There's where you arent understanding what I wrote.

i have to admit, i dont understand what you meant then

[tommy31]

i have to admit, i dont understand what you meant then

yeah... me neither ha. But that bit in bold is the bit you're misunderstanding. (got there)

[blue matt]

yeah... me neither ha. But that bit in bold is the bit you're misunderstanding. (got there)

reminds me of a kids show

If you dont know

and i dont know

who knows


a quick google tells me it was " Bits and Bobs "

[Wales-Bales]

of course, once it has been agreed to hand power to them in the first place, correct.

put it this way, they wont have control of the army without consent from the uk parliament.

What UK parliament? Under political unification all nations will cease to exist. I think you need to look into it a bit more

[tommy31]

What UK parliament? Under political unification all nations will cease to exist. I think you need to look into it a bit more

ok, so lets go towards that. The parliament won't cease to exist until power is transferred to the EU parliament. They don't just take it by default. Perhaps you should brush up first

[Wales-Bales]

ok, so lets go towards that. The parliament won't cease to exist until power is transferred to the EU parliament. They don't just take it by default. Perhaps you should brush up first

It will be a clean slate. You can't have 28 nations submitting pre-conditions. The United States of Europe will be a new country. If they say German will be the first language that is what will happen.

[Catkins51]

A single army (which Cameron said would never happen)
One central bank
No control of Criminal Law system
EU wide taxation.
No border controls whatsoever.
WE would not have shared Sovereignty - WE WOULD HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY

[Rjk]

A single army (which Cameron said would never happen)
One central bank
No control of Criminal Law system
EU wide taxation.
No border controls whatsoever.
WE would not have shared Sovereignty - WE WOULD HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY

I'm not seeing the downside ?

Would citizens of a united states of Europe have more or less SOVEREIGNTY than those of the united states of America?

[Mrs Steve R]

The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan

Have you seen any of the winners of theCoudenhove-Kalergi European Prize?

It will be a clean slate. You can't have 28 nations submitting pre-conditions. The United States of Europe will be a new country. If they say German will be the first language that is what will happen.

Can't see a National health service fitting in.

[Wales-Bales]

I'm not seeing the downside ?

Would citizens of a united states of Europe have more or less SOVEREIGNTY than those of the united states of America?

You do realize that once the United States of Europe project is complete, it then moves onto the United States of Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, followed by Africa. This is a globalist project. And they are not coming up to our level, we are going down to theirs. What do you thing the financial crisis and austerity is all about?

[Rjk]

You do realize that once the United States of Europe project is complete, it then moves onto the United States of Europe, Asia and the Middle-East, followed by Africa. This is a globalist project. And they are not coming up to our level, we are going down to theirs. What do you thing the financial crisis and austerity is all about?

Plenty more wild fantasy presented as fact again there.