Reply With QuoteThat's not how salaries work, is it?Originally Posted by Kris
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You're older than I thought.
That's not how salaries work, is it?
Self driving trains will be more widespread in years to come.e, although considering the trains on the valley lines are about half a century old it'll probably be a while before it affects us.
The concerns over safety at the moment do seem to be genuine though.
Greed on both sides is causing this.
Greed of southern rail and the greed of the train drivers, they have priced themselves out of their button pushing responsibilities, and as a result of their wage demands are now putting guards out of a job aswell. Whatever happens Greed is going to win this, one way or another.
There seems to be some envy directed towards train drivers, possibly from jealous graduates who don't possess the brain power or lack the required self-motivation to exceed what their perceived social inferiors earn.
Not really.
More people being critical as the media portray the strikes as desperate attempts to save jobs that no longer need to exist.
Is that correct? hmmm.
No.
Jobs are eventually going to be lost to machines that can do them. No point dragging it out at a cost of a more expense
Very naive of you Eric.
Sadly it is not the lowest paid people in society that are striking every week. It is not the hospital porters, cleaners, cooks and security guards that are striking in the NHS it's the privileged junior doctors who are striking about pay and unsociable hours but they pretend it's all about "patient safety".
I can't think off the top of my head a genuine strike by minimum wage workers? If anyone should be striking now it should prison guards who are having to work in appalling conditions in a system that is failing. Southern Rail employees have it good compared to the vast majority.
I think you make a very good point,
I do think on this occasion however, that passenger safety is paramount and that a guard contributes to safety.
Trade union membership pro rata is at its lowest since 1940. Only one in every four employees is a member. Collective bargaining is next to impossible at so many workplaces. The rail unions draw strength and communality from having high rates of membership. Nevertheless, they have to jump through many hoops to legally withdraw their labour due to the machinations of the political class since Thatcher came to power. Politicians and their partners know only too well that a fractured workforce, as with the population generally, is easier to control.
I rejoined a trade union this year, 32 years after jacking the union in.
How about post office counter staff who are striking this week and the BA cabin crew mentioned a few posts earlier?
And yes I agree, prison guards should be striking. Their lives are in danger because of mismanagement and calls to ban them from striking are perverse.
Agreed. Government rhetoric on this week of strikes makes it pretty damn obvious what they are trying to do, many people still not noticing.
Unions dont protect the working class any more. They protect the middle class.
If they did genuinely support the working class then people might support them a bit more. But its not, its middle earners that strike. couldnt give a shit about them.
This has got my support a bit more recently. I supported the cardiff bus strike last year. But I cant for the life of me support a train drivers strike, earns 2-3 times the average wage and demands more.
But this strike is not about pay at all. They aren't asking for more pay and won't get more pay. They just don't want to open and close the doors on a 12 carriage 1000+ passenger rush hour train. If you have travelled out of London in any direction between 5 and 8 on a weekday you should understand.
The reason I didn't join the union when I first started my job was that I felt they spent a lot of their time protecting lazy people in disputes with the employer and not enough time working for everyone else. This was just after the union accepted some pretty horrendous terms from the employer, basically they didn't do their job and weren't worth the fee.
I am having second thoughts now.
Let's all go on strike and demand everything and see where that takes us in 10 years time.
In my opinion we would be in a better place than if we did the opposite. 'Strike' has become a dirty word over the last few decades and predictably the average wage has stalled meanwhile the income of top earners has soared.
I used to think the days of needing a union were over. But as globalisation has flexed itself, big corps are doing everything and anything to keep cost bases down and taxes down, I now think they are needed again. Big corps have got bigger than any country. Something needs to whip them back into shape.
The Unions image has been damaged by their own greed over the years. Its not the guy earning £10 an hour that strikes. Its the guys who earn 60k. If you earn £60k you are in the top 1% of earners. You wont get much support for the wealthiest people demanding more. The unions need to get rid of their old boys and TARGET low/middle earners. They are the ones that need the help.
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