Do you believe Trump and, if you do, why do you?

[Vimana.]

^^ Do you really think that it/the plan 'backfired horribly ? I'm not sure. Do you see 'Trump' gaining more, staying robust, or losing some of 'his' supporters following this?
I'd be surprised if that is the end of this one.

But The Donald is on it now: "President-elect Donald Trump has picked former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani to form a team of private sector cybersecurity experts".

[Wales-Bales]

^^ Do you really think that it/the plan 'backfired horribly ? I'm not sure. Do you see 'Trump' gaining more, staying robust, or losing some of 'his' supporters following this?
I'd be surprised if that is the end of this one.

But The Donald is on it now: "President-elect Donald Trump has picked former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani to form a team of private sector cybersecurity experts".

It certainly made his press conference a lot easier and enhanced his outsider credentials. In fact, it's all too perfect, it's like everybody was reading from a (bad) script. Even the spat with the CNN guy seemed rehearsed

[the other bob wilson]

I suppose that any man who tells us he gets his way with women by grabbing them by the pussy probably doesn't need to use prostitutes.

Let's say that there is this Fabian Society derived Liberal Elite that really runs things and is as greedy and corrupt as is claimed, then obviously they need to be brought down as soon as possible. To quote Bonnie Tyler, we need a hero to lead the "civilised" world back from the path it has been on, someone who embodies all of the things that the Clintons and Blairs of this world do not. So, who do we choose to lead this return to a more honest and better society? We choose a reality TV star who only seems to be able to campaign by attacking virtually anyone who isn't a white male of a certain age, a so called outsider who has the same dubious moral and business standards as Bill Clinton does, who has laid off people in his business empire without a second thought when his wealth was threatened - I just don't see the attraction for voters in such a man or why he gets second, third, fourth, fifth etc. etc. chances from so many that they would never give to others.

[lardy]

It certainly made his press conference a lot easier and enhanced his outsider credentials. In fact, it's all too perfect, it's like everybody was reading from a (bad) script. Even the spat with the CNN guy seemed rehearsed

You've been telling us for ages that he hates and mistrusts MSM. All of a sudden they're scripting and rehearsing together???

[Packerman]

You've been telling us for ages that he hates and mistrusts MSM. All of a sudden they're scripting and rehearsing together???

you couldn't make it up could you

[lardy]

you couldn't make it up could you

Easy to tell when gluey is running out of steam. We get the it's all scripted, everything has been planned for months, etc lines.

[Wales-Bales]

You've been telling us for ages that he hates and mistrusts MSM. All of a sudden they're scripting and rehearsing together???

I said that's what it looks like, cos the narrative seems like it's come from a HBO drama series, but I never said it's really happening that way!

[Wales-Bales]

you couldn't make it up could you

Ah, it's the fella with all the opinions, I was wondering when you would show up

[jon1959]

Exactly.

This takes me back to the question I asked in the thread title "Do you believe Trump and, if you do, why do you?" which has not really been answered by anyone yet. It seems some think the claims are fake news because Donald Trump says it is - would they be as quick to believe other politicians if they dismissed lurid allegations about themselves as fake news?

I do not believe Trump. He is a serial liar, fantasist, and ego-maniac.

I have no more information or insight into the dossier than anyone else, but I do not believe a single word from Trump. It is all a performance from him with the sole purpose of promoting The Donald. He could be guilty of anything. He continually contradicts himself, invents stories, defends the indefensible, abuses and corrupts what few remaining standards were in place for public debate. In the midst of a storm of fake news, my gut feeling is that these allegations are true.

[Wales-Bales]

I do not believe Trump. He is a serial liar, fantasist, and ego-maniac.

I have no more information or insight into the dossier than anyone else, but I do not believe a single word from Trump. It is all a performance from him with the sole purpose of promoting The Donald. He could be guilty of anything. He continually contradicts himself, invents stories, defends the indefensible, abuses and corrupts what few remaining standards were in place for public debate. In the midst of a storm of fake news, my gut feeling is that these allegations are true.

So everything in the dossier in true then?

[Rjk]

Vim - I do some work with regards to cyber security and hacks etc and protection tools etc. No one is safe, for example CellBrite the Israeli company who hacked the iphone 5 for the FBI in the ISIS inspired shooting in the USA, Apple would not break into the phone for the FBI - so CellBrite did it , and then would not tell Apple how they did it. Well CellBrite were hacked themselves a few days ago - and data on their customers was released (not into the public domain though).

Using various attack vectors and known 'ins' into systems means that certain companies can hack into systems - take the data they want - and then leave a finger print behind to make it look like someone else (easily done).

It was not the Russians who hacked the Democrats network (in my humble opinion)

Well there's your opinion, and then the opinion of the American intelligence agencies.
I just don't know who to believe.

[lardy]

RJK - Believe no one is your best bet, as the people who did it will never admit to it, it's a merry go round of bluff and counter bluff.

In your opinion who was behind the stuxnet hack ? and what were the hallmarks in the attack that convinced you ?

I think his point is that the opinion of some guy sat in South Wales with absolutely no inside knowledge is worthless, so not sure why you asked that.

[lardy]

My point being is that there is never any absolute proof in such cases. There maybe pointers - but those pointers can be easily dispelled.

ps - I think you would be amazed at the level of cyber security resources / firms and expertise that is in the south wales area from Monmouth all the way down to Swansea - but dont let that put you off your

Then it would be interesting to know what the others in this hotbed think.

On the one hand, we have the American intelligence, pretty much every technology journo and blogger that I've read and President-Elect Donald Trump himself who say that it was most likely Russia. And on the other...

[lardy]

If you are a very famous person like Trump then you can't have anything to do with prostitutes. You might as well put an advert in the papers. I know that some British politicians have been caught with them recently but the average person the street would only be able to recognise a handful of our politicians.

Yep, you'd never get famous people like Hugh Grant, Charlie Sheen, Tiger Woods, Eddie Murphy, Wayne Rooney, Boy George or David Beckham mucking about with prostitutes.

[Wales-Bales]

Yep, you'd never get famous people like Hugh Grant, Charlie Sheen, Tiger Woods, Eddie Murphy, Wayne Rooney, Boy George or David Beckham mucking about with prostitutes.

That's it you've convinced me, when he's playing Monopoly the Water Works is the first property that Donald Trump buys every time.

[lardy]

That's it you've convinced me, when he's playing Monopoly the Water Works is the first property that Donald Trump buys every time.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that Trump uses prostitutes. I've no idea. But the argument that he definitely didn't because he's famous and famous people don't go to prossies is very dumb

[lardy]

Never sat on a jury, but I understand they use "beyond reasonable doubt". Isn't that another way of saying "most likely'?

[lardy]

Are you talking about Trump using prostitutes or the DNC hack or Stuxnet ?

I thought the quote was beyond ALL reasonable doubt ?

Trump using prostitutes - no idea, DNC - will never go to court. Stuxnet hack was in Iran - and never traced officially.

ps - looking forward to Burton on Saturday

My convo with you is about DNC, the one that Trump said "I think it was Russia"

Semantics, but I believe it is 'beyond (a) reasonable doubt'.

[lardy]

The original Malware was attributed to APT 28/Fancy Bear. Part of the code / phishing attack is that they register domains that are very close or misspelled versions of legit domains. Some of the eviudence being put forward says that they have found some text files with russian words in them. The problem with this is that it is not a Russian technique - it is a general technique used by many.

Most hackers will use the same set of tools to perform the hack, and the Malware used in the DNC hack had been used before. If you recall the Mossack Fonseca (panama papers) then their setup was so easy to hack based on poor design and un secured servers - it was a hack waiting to happen.

Bill Gates (microsoft founder and software developer) once used the DOS operating system. So did I once , but that doesnt make me a billionaire software developer. The same incorrect correlation is being made with regards to the DNC hack.

Cozy Bear / APT28 / Guccifer 2.0 etc all interesting stories and conjecture - but in reality - it could have been anyone. It was probably the Israelis, The Russians, The Ukranians, The Chinese, Anonymous, The Koreans. And whoever did it will try and make it look like someone else.

Considering Trumps stance on Israel you could make an argument for it being them.

Perhaps when Trump said "I think it was Russia", he knew something you didn't?

[lardy]

BTW, thanks for telling me who Bill Gates is

[lardy]

You're believing everything Trump says now , Trump believes whatever suits him at the time. You'll be walking in to work later calling the women sluts and grabbing them by the 'pussy'
btw - most people dont seem to know who Gates is.

now are you the last word monkey I think you are, please carry on but I'm all done here

I'm just saying that I expect Donald Trump (he'll become President of the United States tomorrow), having spent weeks denying any Russian involvement and then embarrassingly backing down in front of the world's media, probably had a little extra info to hand than "sir, we found some russian words in a file"

It's a shame you're stopping though, as I'm very intrigued as to how blaming Russia suited him.

[Wales-Bales]

I'm just saying that I expect Donald Trump (he'll become President of the United States tomorrow), having spent weeks denying any Russian involvement and then embarrassingly backing down in front of the world's media, probably had a little extra info to hand than "sir, we found some russian words in a file"

Who is Donald Trump? Is he the Bond villain you are making him out to be? .. or is he a double agent?

[lardy]

Who is Donald Trump? Is he the Bond villain you are making him out to be? .. or is he a double agent?

First you think I said he uses prostitutes, and now I'm calling him a Bond villain as I simply repeat things that he's said! Your reading comprehension could do with improvement

[Wales-Bales]

First you think I said he uses prostitutes, and now I'm calling him a Bond villain as I simply repeat things that he's said! Your reading comprehension could do with improvement

Yes, but which one is he?

PS he never said he uses prostitutes!

[lardy]

Yes, but which one is he?

You tell me.