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the " you aint no muslim bruv " incident took place in london, where more carry tazers ( due to the training ) if it had been in Bath, Salisbury or Yeovil, they would not have had a tazer
The terrorist is changing, it used to be the IRA and a bomb, it is no some nutter with a knife or machete, as i mentioned in this threat, the bloke next door had to use a tazer at the start of the year ( he is one of the few trained to use it on his shout ) , the guy had a meat cleaver and was coming at Officers, if he hadnt been close, it could well have ended with a officer killed
My point is that i think that arming more police ( then ultimately all ) would give the police a even playing field to do the job they need to do
so you know " that giving firearms to the entire police force would do more harm than good ", How do you know that ? ? ? ?? how can you know that ? ? ??
This 100%
Its like the American idea of counteracting guns is to allow more people access to guns, its mental. That can only end up badly.
This is an interesting read.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ain?CMP=twt_gu
No amount of guns on the streets will stop someone targeting a group of people with a car as a weapon.
Last edited by Charlie; 23-03-17 at 10:25.
Well you've already had one example with the Menezes incident. A police officer is killed with a knife and you want to give guns to thousands of people and yet an innocent man is shot by police and you've got all manner of excuses for it.
You're just inviting a police state under which the general public would be completely unable to counter. We're already under surveillance, our rights to congregate and protest are getting curtailed and I don't see arming the police as a good thing for everyday folk in the long run.
I think the difference here is that you feel like you can trust the police force and the government to always do the right thing by the people whereas I think that is naive.
Also, if thousands of new firearms start flooding in some of them will find their way into the hands of criminals. Corruption exists within the police force whether you like it or not. The moment one of these criminals uses a gun on someone, the whole experiment of arming the police would have failed.
Again, I urge you to ask the police officers you know if they 100% trust every officer they've met with a firearm, you might just find that they've probably all come across some of the more hot-headed members of the force who shouldn't be trusted with that kind of responsibility, with or without training.
Gave up on the thread somewhat when Carediffi and Tandy were butting heads to satisfy their ego's but I am surprised there hasn't been more mention of arming the police with taser's.Certainly not in favour of arming them fully but may be time they all carried a taser.
I am sure you know the answer, as i have mentioned it earlier but i will play along
they do, it is a example, to counter yours of being in london, the trained officers ( normally AR trained officers ) in Bath, Salisbury or Yeovil ( i.e outside bigger cities and espeically london ) could very well be 30 mins away, In London they are not due to the fact that MORE Officers are trained to use them, ( in the days of staff being cut and forces Sharing resources the times can be greater than 30 mins )
Not my excuses, they made mistakes, procedures have been changed, they hope that they will stop incidents like Jean de Menzies happening, which was almost 12 years ago, maybe the changes have worked ?? ?
and here we have the issue, the paranoia, Oh the goverment want us to be under a police state, they are spying on us, i dont want my rights taken away etc etc you carry on with that, i will just live my life and see where it goes if they want to know i am going surfing in a few weeks time, fine, if they want to know i am on my holidays again to the US, no drama, hell they can even see the pictures on FB if they want
i do trust the police in the way they attempt to keep me safe, solving crimes and trying to keep the bad people ( you know, the real bad people ) at bay, sure we have corrupt people, but every way of life does, naive ? ? ? maybe
really, you think police guns will be floating around the pubs yea right
I will, it will be tomorrow, i thought we were going for a Coffee today, it wasnt, its tomorrow, but as i said, whatever his reply, you will not believe him, as you already have all the facts about the Police
I posted a link earlier which appears to have been overlooked.
Couple of years ago in New York, a guy with a gun shot and killed his former boss, police responded by shooting him dead and managed to hit NINE innocent bystanders.
Terrorist and other gun related incidents are thankfully very rare in this country, nigh on unheard of in our fair city, and while I'd support the use of armed officers at high profile events e.g. The champions league final, arming all officers as a matter of course seems to be an overreaction borne out of understandable emotion.
I'm sure if you asked "regular" police officers if they wanted guns, many would say no.
I'm sure you realise that my question was why do these police officers not have tasers, not how do they get around it.
Maybe they don't have the resources to train everyone, or the resources to buy units for all, or maybe there's just no need for every officer to have one as the typical type of crime doesn't demand it.
Whatever the reason(s) for them not giving tasers to all officers, you can multiply it by ten for guns.
the point of distribution is important here, it is fine to use examples of what happens in London, but in rural area it is not the same, mainly due to the size of counties / amount of trained officers, it is compounded with the issue of forces sharing resources, in my example, a ARU could be in Yeovil and needed in Gloucester, now thats a rather large distance to travel
it could well be the cost of them ? ? ? we know in real money the Police have for years had budgets cut
Originally Posted by blue matt
"I fully understand that training them all to carry arms would take time, but lets start, lets get more trained, the armed officers will be wearing body cams, so they will know they are being filmed and will not have free reign to " pop a cap ""
What you mean like American law enforcement officers who have been regularly filmed shooting people even they though know they are being filmed ?
Doesn"t seem to have stopped them now does it ?