The Way to an Independent and Prosperous Wales

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Is it finally time for Wales to exert its independence and drag itself from the yoke of Westminster and the monarchy?

https://freewales.org/independent-wa...osperous-wales

This presents what appears to be one viable route to achieving that aim.

Is it even possible to convince the people of Wales that independence is in their own best interest?

[NYCBlue]

Is it finally time for Wales to exert its independence and drag itself from the yoke of Westminster and the monarchy?

https://freewales.org/independent-wa...osperous-wales

This presents what appears to be one viable route to achieving that aim.

Is it even possible to convince the people of Wales that independence is in their own best interest?

Unfortunately, I think not.

[Feedback]

When the strapline - fe godwn ni eto - is used you have to think of the mindset of the website owner. 'We will rise again' was used previously by the FWA - a terrorist organisation.

[LordKenwyne]

I have no economic understanding whatsoever, but I wouldn't be willing to risk the complete ruin that may come our way as we really are a quite poor, small country.

Maybe we could do an ireland and become a dressed up tax haven. But that ship has sailed.

I don't think life in the valleys is particularly good. It could be a lot worse. My area is improving by the day.

[Organ Morgan.]

The article at the Colonel's link says that 97% of the money supply is debt. Debt created by private banks via loans. They loan money at interest which they don't have. An unsuspecting public believe they're loaned someone else's money that their bank hold on deposit, they don't. The scam is known as Fractional Reserve Lending. One of the best and most succinct expose on the subject at 60 minutes duration is 97% Owned - Positive Money Cut - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3mfkD6Ky5o

We'll never, ever, see a documentary such as that on terrestrial TV because the people who run the show don't want us to know what's behind the curtain. Oxfam published a report in January that claimed eight people have the equivalent wealth of the poorest 50% of people alive today. http://www.oxfam.org.uk/media-centre...half-the-world

[Feedback]

The article at the Colonel's link says that 97% of the money supply is debt. Debt created by private banks via loans. They loan money at interest which they don't have. An unsuspecting public believe they're loaned someone else's money that their bank hold on deposit, they don't. The scam is known as Fractional Reserve Lending. One of the best and most succinct expose on the subject at 60 minutes duration is 97% Owned - Positive Money Cut - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3mfkD6Ky5o

We'll never, ever, see a documentary such as that on terrestrial TV because the people who run the show don't want us to know what's behind the curtain. Oxfam published a report in January that claimed eight people have the equivalent wealth of the poorest 50% of people alive today. http://www.oxfam.org.uk/media-centre...half-the-world

Bollocks

[TH63]

I got to this bit, laughed and stopped reading.

"Like county councils, the Welsh government is prohibited from stemming this outflow by EU and UK laws, such as the misnamed ‘best-value’ procurement regulations. They require contracts to be awarded to foreign firms that can under-bid local companies due to their scale and ability to leverage debt."

Complete and utter bollocks, and if they can get that wrong, or deliberately attempt to mislead the reader, then the rest of the article is likely to be similarly flawed or deliberately misleading. Either way, it cannot be taken seriously.

[Penarth Blues]

I got to this bit, laughed and stopped reading.

"Like county councils, the Welsh government is prohibited from stemming this outflow by EU and UK laws, such as the misnamed ‘best-value’ procurement regulations. They require contracts to be awarded to foreign firms that can under-bid local companies due to their scale and ability to leverage debt."

Complete and utter bollocks, and if they can get that wrong, or deliberately attempt to mislead the reader, then the rest of the article is likely to be similarly flawed or deliberately misleading. Either way, it cannot be taken seriously.

Was interested in what you think about other countries subsidizing key companies (e.g. Arriva Trains) to allow them to 'compete' in our markets where we don't have anything so focused here?

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

It's weird that whenever the subject of Welsh independence is brought forward, how many Welsh people will become impossibly contrary, nitpicking whatever detail they can find to justify to themselves why they should dismiss wholesale the notion of independence.

This nation once fought fierce and proud against its invaders but now, after hundreds of years of being treated like a poor relative in a backwater, we've become so accustomed to subjugation that the prospect of going it alone is too much to even contemplate, like a nationwide collective Stockholm Syndrome.

People are quick to say "Wales could NEVER prosper on its own", as if it's ever prospered under England or ever had the chance to try. We've had our language squashed nearly out of existence, our culture sidelined, stolen from, and repressed.

Now even our own people have been conditioned to believe they are not worthy of controlling their own destiny. Wales could be doing so much better for itself, but we'll never find that out as long as everyone is too scared to poke their heads above the parapet.

If Britain can survive without Europe, then Wales can survive without Britain.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

It's weird that whenever the subject of Welsh independence is brought forward, how many Welsh people will become impossibly contrary, nitpicking whatever detail they can find to justify to themselves why they should dismiss wholesale the notion of independence.

This nation once fought fierce and proud against its invaders but now, after hundreds of years of being treated like a poor relative in a backwater, we've become so accustomed to subjugation that the prospect of going it alone is too much to even contemplate, like a nationwide collective Stockholm Syndrome.

People are quick to say "Wales could NEVER prosper on its own", as if it's ever prospered under England or ever had the chance to try. We've had our language squashed nearly out of existence, our culture sidelined, stolen from, and repressed.

Now even our own people have been conditioned to believe they are not worthy of controlling their own destiny. Wales could be doing so much better for itself, but we'll never find that out as long as everyone is too scared to poke their heads above the parapet.

If Britain can survive without Europe, then Wales can survive without Britain.

Interesting argument. Can Britain survive without Europe? Yes, but as well as it has so far? Nope. Not a chance (in my view anyway).

Unfortunately, having a dig at people for not believing the mantra you provide does nothing to help your cause.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Interesting argument. Can Britain survive without Europe? Yes, but as well as it has so far? Nope. Not a chance (in my view anyway).

Unfortunately, having a dig at people for not believing the mantra you provide does nothing to help your cause.

Another indication that the people of Wales are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome is that they take it as a "dig" when you point it out.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Another indication that the people of Wales are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome is that they take it as a "dig" when you point it out.

What would you call it?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

We've had our language squashed nearly out of existence, our culture sidelined, stolen from, and repressed.

Care to elaborate?

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

What would you call it?

The truth.

It always seems to me that whenever the subject of Welsh independence is brought up, people are quick to look for reasons why it wouldn't work rather than look to why it would.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The truth.

It always seems to me that whenever the subject of Welsh independence is brought up, people are quick to look for reasons why it wouldn't work rather than look to why it would.

Yes, but having a go at people for having that opinion is not going to be successful in changing their minds.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Care to elaborate?

I have to say Eric, your comments so far in this thread go some way to verifying the first paragraph of my post in which I refer to nitpicking.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Yes, but having a go at people for having that opinion is not going to be successful in changing their minds.

Again, you see it as a "dig" or "having a go", sometimes people need to hear something they might not necessarily like to hear.

Since we're nitpicking, which part specifically do you see as "having a go"?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I have to say Eric, your comments so far in this thread go some way to verifying the first paragraph of my post in which I refer to nitpicking.

It's a shame you couldn't answer my simple question.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

It's a shame you couldn't answer my simple question.

Well I could, Eric, I just wonder if I'd be wasting my time and you'd find something else to nitpick.

[blue matt]

Yes, but having a go at people for having that opinion is not going to be successful in changing their minds.

which is a issue most nationalists have, they either try and bully the opinion over or they ridicule the others

neither tend to work that well and thus the nationalist always struggle

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Again, you see it as a "dig" or "having a go", sometimes people need to hear something they might not necessarily like to hear.

Since we're nitpicking, which part specifically do you see as "having a go"?

Wales could be doing so much better for itself, but we'll never find that out as long as everyone is too scared to poke their heads above the parapet.

how many Welsh people will become impossibly contrary, nitpicking

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Well I could, Eric, I just wonder if I'd be wasting my time and you'd find something else to nitpick.

Go on then. Give me something I couldn't nitpick. Or shut up.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

which is a issue most nationalists have, they either try and bully the opinion over or they ridicule the others

neither tend to work that well and thus the nationalist always struggle

Oh, it's "bullying" now. Jesus Christ.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Wales could be doing so much better for itself, but we'll never find that out as long as everyone is too scared to poke their heads above the parapet.

how many Welsh people will become impossibly contrary, nitpicking

Which part is untrue?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

which is a issue most nationalists have, they either try and bully the opinion over or they ridicule the others

neither tend to work that well and thus the nationalist always struggle

Not just nationalists. It's becoming politics in general.