Reply With QuoteI'm not forgetting anything. If the result is as I fear he will stand down.Originally Posted by ninianclark
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Corbyn is a goner. The General Election will be about damage limitation for Labour.
So who can get them out of this mess? Keir Starmer? Maybe Clive Lewis or Dan Jarvis. Ed Balls as a long
shot but he is not in Parliament any longer. Or perhaps Sadiq Khan?
I think they need someone like Andy Burnham to stabilise the party. Of course he is otherwise occupied as the likely Mayor of Manchester.
The cupboard looks pretty bare to me.
I'm not forgetting anything. If the result is as I fear he will stand down.
Let's be positive - it's still more talent than the Tories. You could put a hatstand in as leader and it'd have more of a conscience.
Yup.
They are bright enough to spot that it's just the opportunity to change all the pesky manifestoes so that they can point our that 'we' voted for it.
And they will be right.
And thus they can p1ss about and p1ss all over us, all but unopposed.
When and how did it boil down to no choice / the choice of sh1t.
We all stood watching. Some cheering.
Last edited by Vimana.; 18-04-17 at 18:31.
If Labour loses and it creates a leadership change (which it may not on current behaviour) I think a clean sweep of the party is needed top to bottom.
If as predicted its a landslide they can only move one way and that's up .
I would seek young forward thinkers who are not steeped in traditional old Labour ways ,they need to be bold ,free thinking ,with a socialist morality .
The current messages appear dated , we have a different society now that is less blue collar , thier views must become the new socialists mantra to win back voters , it's great Labour have a strong membership , unfortunately that will not get you into power in this modern age , as the current viewpoint is too narrow and tired , the party needs to lose their old stagers like Abbot, Livingstone, Mcdonald, let youth and new thoughts prevail , even as its seems likely it will take 5 years , nothing to lose now, plenty to gain.
Really good post and fully agreed.
Confused , frustrated ,angry, socialist at heart .
I think that Labour will be a gonna after this election, the privacy of the ballot box will override the message board bully boys, the ccmb type bully is replicated all over tinternet, they just try and shut down any debate with the R word or cry about being offended over the slightest incident, I think Thump and Brexit has changed the way people will vote forever, i'll be interested to see how many are prepared to put their, I love insert whatever party banner in the window around here. A labour councilor has already had the F.O. tablet from my gaff, the same will go for any party member who ignores my, not a political house, do not disturb window message.
They've been gaining some praise lately for some of the policies they've announced, so they need more of those with better presentation and a coherent narrative. There's been too much in-fighting. I think some of the old stagers would be useful for experience, as long as it's not Mandelson.
Nice message - ignore the bully boys who shut down the argument and tell your councilor to eff off.
It was a reasonably polite tablet
Where's Russel Brand when you need him!
If you remember Real Madrid towards the end of the Jose years where all the big characters were kicking each other down....imagine that but the club decides to promote youth players to replace those who can't get along with each other. Now ask which is ready to be Ronaldo.
If I were Labour I would be tempted to block this move for a GE (two thirds still need to vote for it in parliament) as despite the loss of face the party is still some way away from being a united front that it needs to be in order to challenge. Corbyn over the past two weeks has presented a series of excellent policy ideas - which have been accepted as good by tories and only late challenge being is there enough money to do it - and he has been consistently (relatively) good since May became leader, but you need (as Ed Milliband showed) far more than a good 8 months into the GE in order to come out victorious.
I believe Corbyn's ultimate aim is to ensure that Labour can have a left-wing leader and centre-Left (capital L) direction in the future without some towards the right of the party shutting this down. Labour should just give him that victory and get back to being the party that has represented centre-left politics best over the last century.
Lets be positive, Corbyn's ideas can win an election whereas May's ideas can lose her the election. And there is always Clive Lewis to come if Corbyn's image and Labours ideological civil-bitching loses the election badly.
That makes sense Surge but the die is cast and Labour won't be blocking the Election.Yes they would lose face but could argue that we need to hear the outcome of the CPS prosecutions before embarking on a General Election. The Tories are much more ruthless and politically cynical. Labour need to like that but have too many naive politicians.
Hopefully someone like Kier Starner or Chuka Umunna.
So if Chuka became leader Labour would revert to being a watered down version of the Tories again.No thanks.They need to be braver than that.
Clive Lewis is the pick of the bunch in my view ,fresh ,young ,left of centre,but sensible with it ,the trick is to bring forward policies that are balanced ,caring and affordable.
I've not heard anything that sounds that refreshing lately, or seen any big punches landing on this goverment , who are unsure on thier own direction , hence this decesion today.
Personally I'd rather Tory-lite then the ultra Tory right we will be getting with a landslide on June 9th.
I think the above are the most appealing to electorate. Wonder how JC will feel when he sees that increased majority for the Tories and knowing he is largely responsible for it.
Don't really know enough about Clive Lewis to comment on his leadership potential.
I agree with what you say about the Government. One of the first things I heard when I switched on the telly as the news that there was going to be an announcement broke was the person being interviewed stating that they didn't think an election was going to be called because the deadline for one to be held on the same day (May 4) as the Council Elections had just passed and, surely, that would be the best date for a snap General Election if one was going to be called.
That's definitely what I would have advised if I was someone high up in the Tory party who was asked about going to the country. When you look at the reaction of the woman at the start of this piece
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39631693
you get an idea of how Theresa May's decision was greeted by many, you can't help thinking that, if there really have to be two more votes in some parts of a country which looks to be suffering election/referendum fatigue, wouldn't it be best to have them on the same day? You would have thought there'd be benefits for the Tories in the Council Elections from doing that as well.
As you would expect, there were plenty of Conservatives lining up to applaud Mrs May's decision once news of it broke, but the truth is that there was no one in that party really pushing for a snap election at a time when we were told that the attention had to be very much on the Brexit negotiations.
I'm guessing, but it seems to me that the Prime Minister came to her decision over the Easter Weekend and there were very, very few in her Cabinet or party who she confided in beforehand. If that is correct, then I'm pretty sure there will be those who will look at the decision as a pretty selfish one with what's the country needs coming fairly low on her list of priorities.
I know it's the Guardian and they were never going to be very complimentary about the Prime Minister, but this
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nterests-first
resonated with me as a powerful and forceful piece which offers a clue as to how the very remote possibility that this could all go very wrong for Mrs May and her party may come to pass - if the feeling takes hold among the electorate that they are being used purely for political and personal gain at a time when we should be concentrating on what was decided in June last year, then the overall majority, assuming there is one, may not be anywhere near as big as anticipated.
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I may be alone but perhaps a landslidebTory win is best taken now , we know 5 years from now Brent impact will be clear and hurting or annoying folk , Trump and world will be a different place .
My advise to Labour is to bunker down now , dont bust a gut on this one , clear out the old bring in the new ready for 2022.
For those who suggest I might read and follow the evil media, this was a free thought, not researched or copied .
Yvette Cooper after seeing her today would be a good leader.
Jeremy Corbyn in his debates with May reminds me of some weak willed husband from a shit BBC sit com.
You must drink even more than me if you like that wretched humourless little harpy.
Still better then Obi Wan on Mogadon after his latest inept showing.
Or Abbott.
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