"As long as it's free at the point of service"

[PontBlue]

You are missing a fourth group. The government officials who wrote and signed off the regulations the fire safety officer was working to.

[Philbccfc]

You are missing a fourth group. The government officials who wrote and signed off the regulations the fire safety officer was working to.

Possibly the builders under a tight schedule (well the SHAREHOLDERS have to see a return)

[life on mars]

Of course everything should be free at the point of service , along with responsibility, skilled professionals, standards, value for money ,accountability .

[Nick]

I'm not a socialist as it happens but you are certainly a ****.

Unnecessary abuse.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

I was able to do so at the time I posted it, but can't now - I found an article which mentions the part I talked about;-

"If this latter point sounds exaggerated, consider the Whitehall career of Steve Hilton, who was David Cameron’s “blue sky thinker” before moving to California to become a Silicon Valley sage, then returning last summer to detail the case for Brexit and show off his tan. In government, Hilton ran a “red tape challenge”, hoping to banish reams of dead weight from the statute books. Instead, as the former Liberal Democrat adviser Giles Wilkes records, weary civil servants had to defend basic safety measures: “Only the determination of hardy officials saved the public from the return of flammable sofas.” "

reducing 'red tape', and maintaining compliance/safety can easily be achieved. In fact more 'clear thinking' with fewer quangos,committees, and departments, means the buck cannot be passed around like pass-the-parcel. Is anyone going to disagree that when the prime minister announced a 'public enquiry', their initial thoughts were that's another 5 years, two thousand witnesses, hundreds of lawyers and tens of thousands of pages which only the journalists will ever have the stomach to read through ..

[BlueWales]

Unnecessary abuse.

No just telling it as it is.

[Nick]

No just telling it as it is.

Tell me why the poster deserved abuse, please.

[BlueWales]

Tell me why the poster deserved abuse, please.

He accused me of being a Socialist which is not correct and spouted Tory views which are anathema at the moment thanks to Mrs May. Free board I'll say what I like Tory boy. Go pick on your scumbag mates for their vile views. I'm not backing down.

[Nick]

He accused me of being a Socialist which is not correct and spouted Tory views which are anathema at the moment thanks to Mrs May. Free board I'll say what I like Tory boy. Go pick on your scumbag mates for their vile views. I'm not backing down.

Nice chap.

Best wishes.

[Feedback]

He accused me of being a Socialist which is not correct and spouted Tory views which are anathema at the moment thanks to Mrs May. Free board I'll say what I like Tory boy. Go pick on your scumbag mates for their vile views. I'm not backing down.

Free board you say, yet you hurl abuse at a poster who airs views that you consider anathema?

[Nick]

Free board you say, yet you hurl abuse at a poster who airs views that you consider anathema?

No sign of hypocrisy there at all was there..

[A Quiet Monkfish]

He accused me of being a Socialist which is not correct and spouted Tory views which are anathema at the moment thanks to Mrs May. Free board I'll say what I like Tory boy. Go pick on your scumbag mates for their vile views. I'm not backing down.

Politics aside, you need help lad..

[Eric the Half a Bee]

You are as predictable as a Dianne Abbott sick note.

Nice to be able to trivialise diabetes.

[rs3100]

The issue as I see it with privatisation is that it will get to a saturation point when the private firms running the NHS will be able to increase their charges to the payers and there will be absolutely nothing that the payers can do to reverse it. It will still be free of charge at the point of access, but behind the scenes the costs will be spiralling and less treatments will therefore be available. This will then lead to the need of private health insurance which will lead to further health inequalities.

If you think the likes of Virgin etc... running the NHS services, and the pharma companies providing the health technologies give a $hit about the patient's wellbeing then you are totally mistaken. They will think only about their shareholders and their bottom line. They need people to be ill to make money, they wouldn't be involved in this sector if there was no money to be made.

[the other bob wilson]

Eric - I think PFI was the magic tree for the NHS - started by Major - but was taken to the brink and beyond by Gordon Brown.

With regard to the fire - you could have had 1000 fire fighters in attendance - it would not have made any difference - thanks to the cladding / method of installation.

Politicians of all sides would love to be up front to the public - but if they were - they would never get elected.
I'll make an exception with Corbyn - he was up front with who he would tax. And he didnt win enough seats.
I suspect if he had won - by now he would have been apologising to students for not being able to abolish tuition fees.

May will also now be forced to abandon some policies - like the winter fuel allowance, the NI for self employed will be back on the agenda - all for that one - even if it means I'll me a few hundred down on the year.

More opinions as fact - it seems to be de rigeur these days.

[BlueWales]

Politics aside, you need help lad..

Yadda yadda yadda yer tosser.

[BlueWales]

No sign of hypocrisy there at all was there..

Because it's a FREE BOARD where you can say what you like Drunkfish.

[Packerman]

Yadda yadda yadda yer tosser.

what an unpleasant individual you appear to be

[Feedback]

The issue as I see it with privatisation is that it will get to a saturation point when the private firms running the NHS will be able to increase their charges to the payers and there will be absolutely nothing that the payers can do to reverse it. It will still be free of charge at the point of access, but behind the scenes the costs will be spiralling and less treatments will therefore be available. This will then lead to the need of private health insurance which will lead to further health inequalities.

If you think the likes of Virgin etc... running the NHS services, and the pharma companies providing the health technologies give a $hit about the patient's wellbeing then you are totally mistaken. They will think only about their shareholders and their bottom line. They need people to be ill to make money, they wouldn't be involved in this sector if there was no money to be made.

Unlike some who blindly follow the mantra that the NHS can only function inthe hands of the public sector, you give a very compelling argument, if only to adopt a more cautious approach.