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you reference connotation. Here's a point. Whilst the MP should have known better, I certainly don't think her intended use was racist, given the point she tried to make. however, there is also the point she might just might be a closet racist and instead of using more appropriate less offensive terms, she chose one which she knew may upset.
Read that article. They are requesting you don't say it. Not beating the shit into you if you say it.
You think you should have unrestrained right to say whatever you want because you, personally, have done nothing wrong. White people using it in the past has led it to have the connotations that it has. You didn't cause that, but you understand what those connotations are. So, I think it would be fair to ask you to not use it?.
My replies have answered your question multiply times by the way. The reasons why black people use it cover why white people should probably not
Would you be happy for me to abuse your family with whatever wordage I felt like?.
I sort of agree she probably didn't mean it in a racist way but the fact is it is still probably the most racist thing you can say and you should probably avoid saying it, especially if you are in a position of power. If either of us said that at work we would more than likely be sacked.
Also there is a reasonable argument that if she's comfortable saying that in public what is she like in private?
OK, once again, I do not require an explanation as to why the word is deemed offensive.
I know it is offensive, I know why.
Again, what I am asking, and this is as simple as I can word the question, How is it not racist for my specific race to have its vocabulary limited?
And no, this isn't about the time I used the word in my stand up set. Croesy Blue nailed it earlier in this thread when he said the offensiveness of the word depends on the context.
Here's a bit of wisdom for you, we should decide if the word ****** is offensive depending on the intent of the person using it.
Again, at no point have I said I should have the "unrestrained right to say whatever I want".
The amount of times in this thread you've attributed statements to me falsely, I feel like you're having an argument with someone else completely. In fact, I'm going to stop talking to you now.
But to black people a white person using it always has racist connotations due to the history. I think this is the point we find difficult to understand, I've been to a couple of lectures about it and I always had the same view point as you but I've come to understand I can't understand how a black person feels when a white person uses that word.
So what are you moaning about?.
"Some" Black people request you don't use the term. That fits into the the "restrained right of what you say".
Like if you were in Iran or Turkey and you were calling people Arabs. They'd request you wouldn't.
Again, there is no written law that states the term is banned for white people. They say it regularly. It comes down to personal opinion, like any other use of words. Like the fact you or me would kick off if people were swearing at a family member.
I don't disagree with you either. I'm also not sure of the point you are trying to make. Their is social injustice - we all know that. Quite a lot of people are left on the scrap heap and told they won't ever amount to much. There is much work to be done, both here, in the UK and in the world in general.
Is this the most respectful discussion we've ever had on ccmb?
In this day and age using a line which could directly be taken from '12 years a Slave' is pretty ****ing stupid.
Even more so when this woman has a a say in all our affairs.
I remember reading that Samuel L Jackson asked one of his co-stars to call him a n****r, so he could get into character. Not sure what film it was (maybe time to kill). I also saw the same actor in another film tell his high school basket ball players under no terms do they use the same word. It is a complex issue
I agree a lot of work needs to be done in the uk, many working class people are treated like absolute shit and are more or less forgotten about.
But we also shouldn't ignore that a black person from the same class statistically has even less chance.
I think the country should be striving to improve the lives of everyone and the equality for all races and sexes.
Don't agree with your first paragraph at all because when it comes to the colour of someone's skin, I cannot think of one descriptive or made up word off the top of my head that is definitely used in a complimentary way - it seems the best we can hope for is just to call them by that colour, so white, black and redskin are seen as fairly neutral terms (at least I think they are, but I may be wrong) and I suppose something like Caucasian falls into the same category.
Many other words would be viewed as an insult though by the group the word described and it seems to me that the large majority are names given to dark skinned people by those with paler skins. The n word is unusual in that it is a word that some blacks have no problem with using in certain contexts, It's true that there are very many blacks who disagree with this, but, undoubtedly, we're talking about a word that involves nuances depending on the colour of the skin of the person using it - the reaction by the person the word is directed at can differ greatly depending on those nuances, so we are talking about a word that can be interpreted differently no matter what you claim.
Apparently there are white rap artists who use it, but, from my perspective, any white person using the n word is either using it as an insult (or worse) or is so stupid as not to understand the implications of what they are saying - either way, there can be no legitimate excuse I can think of for a white middle aged or old politician to use it in this day and age.
It's a very complex issue I agree. I just think it's not too complicated to see why in most situations white people should never say that word because it has negative connotations whilst there are situations for black people where saying it does not have the same negative connotations.